This is a discussion on Live Poker Collusion within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; While I was playing poker at a casino poker room yesterday, two guys came to our table. Our table was relatively tight for most of
While I was playing poker at a casino poker room yesterday, two guys came to our table. Our table was relatively tight for most of the day, okay extremely tight, but when they came to our table they started loosening it up a lot.
They came from another table to ours when two seats opened up, and then when a third seat opened up, one of the guys yelled to his friend to come over to ours. The way they were playing looked a lot like they were teaming up on everyone else at the table. They were incredibly reckless when playing against each other, not seeming to care whether or not they loss their money to their friend, but when anyone else called one of their raises, they reraised on top of them to get them to fold. Everyone knew what they were doing, so one person left and blatantly said that they weren't going to play while that was going on, and another player commented on how strange one of their reraises was when he flipped over bottom pair and his friend called with an ace high. When one of the guys had gotten up to about $500, he told me he was going to another table where there was more money, and then told his friend to follow him, which shortly after he did.
I just want to know is this normal, and why do floor managers and dealers allow this to happen?
Edit: Sorry, I was just thinking my post might belong in the Poker Rooms category, so if it does feel free to move it.
12th May 2010, 3:41 AM
Game: NL Holdem
What they did is normal.
Counter their excessively loose play, or leave the table if it bothers you.
It's only collusion if they're sharing information.
12th May 2010, 6:50 PM
Poker at: Full Tilt
In a way it can be considered collusion. If they're squeezing to help each other out and stuff like that, its pretty much collusion. The fact that they probably shared their profits at the end of the night is also collusion. The problem is that the managers won't do anything about it, because they can't really prove anything. Like pokerkid said, they weren't sharing information....they were just playing recklessly.
12th May 2010, 6:57 PM
Leo 50 [1,285]
Online Poker at: Merge
I've seen this before at live games.
The one way to counter it is to wait for a good hand and take their money.
If you take a few pots from guys like this they tend to move quickly to another table and continue their play.
I had two guys in Vegas doing the same thing and I waited to flop a set and pushed all in on the first guy who folded and took all the chips from the second guy who had 2 pair.
They moved off the table right away and the rest of the table was quite grateful.
I spoke to a floor manager about it and he said that unless they were verbally sharing information to each other there was really nothing they could do about it.
I almost wanted to follow them to the other table just to make them nervous.
12th May 2010, 7:04 PM
ive seen this at an underground room and after being talked to about it and they continued to do it they were not so nicely removed from the table and allowed to leave with what they bought in for and thier profits wre then split evenly amongst the table....but like i said it was an underground room where they can do what they want to ppl who are obviously working together..... best thing to do is to wait for a big hand and hope that they donbt backdoor you or actually have a hand that time
14th May 2010, 12:18 AM
re: Poker & Live Poker Collusion
yeah, i agree with the OP. Cuz it gets out of control sometimes. I mean my and my friends play together at times too. But won't get out of control unless we just messing around. Never to team up and gang up on the table. We are outnumbered if anythings. So the chances of doing that is very slim. You gotta be really good to be able to work together on a table.
14th May 2010, 12:44 AM
so basically when someone calls there raise the other would 3 bet that person out of the pot... even if u call the three bet the other guys calls and your playing against 2 hands.... Bad news is your playing against 2 hands...good news is..they are going to let you draw cheap...if one has two over cards and the other has mid pair.. the mid pair isnt going ot bet his buddy out the pot...even more good news when you get ur big hand you are going to get paid off..(not ur top pair) ur big hand.. set straight or (Ace or king high flush) this is the situation you want to be in.. LOW RISK high reward.. not tough decisions... you play for sets straights and flushes and once in a blue moon when you get them your going to get paid off