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I switched off of online poker. While my WR was generally positive I ultimately don't find it that interesting - and boredom is my worst tilt.

So I went to playing live a couple months back. Live, the lowest table for NL is $1/2. $1/2 online is fairly difficult stakes - you're rarely going against people who don't know a little something about the game. Live however, there's a huge mix. Having NOT played live in a while I lost pretty big my first couple goes, but then I adjusted a bit and I'm sitting pretty comfortably at around $50/hr WR.

I'm not a super pro or anything, so take my advice with a grain of salt. I'm just going to lay out some of the strategies that have been working for me.


1) Broad categorization works best.
Online we talk about TAG, LAG, LP, etc etc etc along with VPIP and all that. Ignore all that. At 1/2 live you've got two big categories to look at: Recreational and serious. Within an orbit at the player, usually by looking at people and watching them play, but often times just looking at people is enough, you can predict how they think.

Recreational players: Either passive (tend to be older, or just very new to the game) - they don't speak "bet size" so you can steal a lot of pots or make marginal calls with less equity. OR aggressive (tend to be Italian and grumpy, or semi-wealthy looking business folks out to get the edge out). These guys bluff too much. Give them reason to try a bluff, and they will. They also call without considering "relative hand strength" - so if you think they're strong but you have stronger no need to trap!

Serious: I guess this is me, but I try not to fit the stereotypes. These guys have on excessive swag (headphones, shades, "poker mode" demeanor). Think of basic TAG play, and they will usually do that. These guys tend to be tougher to play against overall though. Respect their pre-flop action and focus on playing hands, strong or speculative, with position.


Limping: Overlimp A LOT, open limp like never. I'm playing an obscene amount of hands live. There's so much limping I'm always getting good odds to see a flop. You'll hit weird hands but when you do there's enough other players that you'll get someone along for the ride. Just be wary that top pair good/top kicker is not good by the river very often. Protect that hand. Take it on the flop or turn. Slow playing and stringing people along with anything less than a solid two pair is going to go badly, and even two pair you need to feel out the board.

Set mining: Yup, still works. Really well.

UTG: Play SUPER SUPER TIGHT. With 9 people behind, you're getting callers. AJo or less is a fold. AK, AQ, AJs, ATs, or PP. No one is watching you for table image like that so chuck that 78s shit out the window.

Late Position: Play LOOSE. Widen the range as much as you can get away with. Put in good size raises too. 78s with three limpers in front of me I'm happy to raise up to $14. All those limpers are going to fold, unless someone calls ahead of them. Either going to take the pot with a speculative hand pre flop, or go into the flop multi-way in position with something that will either miss or hit big. It's worth it.

3-Bet range: Do it by the book. Any early raiser is not folding to a three bet unless they're a "serious" player. Recreational players you are getting value, serious players will react by the book so you are getting information.


Image: Free pass. You're at a $1/2 table. Everyone thinks everyone is bluffing. You don't need to earn your image with reckless bluffs. Get in one or two bluffy looking bets and the whole table assumes you are a nut job. Easy, go get value.
 
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Thought you were looking for tips, gave it a read.

Pretty solid, you can get a good winrate like this. I did for a few years actually. Only thing I'd change is your early position strategy. A lot of the tables will be super passive and you can open limp starting a cascade of limping and get great odds for some hands you'd otherwise be letting go.

Just noticed your hourly is also spot on to where mine was. Didn't read the beginning too closely at first. Good on ya man, I always loved live poker, keep it up.

If you haven't gone up yet, $2/$5 is still similar, just a little less limping preflop, and slightly less calls postflop. I adjusted to this by playing a more standard TAG preflop strategy, and fire out on tons of flops. Semi-bluffing now works to your advantage to generate a looser overall image and get more action out of people when you hit your real hands.

$5/$10 was my favorite, and plays like a normal poker game. Now you have villains reading each other and thinking on multiple levels, start getting into metagame and all that. I did very well playing a LAGgy game, with a very strong EP range, mixed in with some Axs and small SC hands, then really wide in the CO/Button.

Look forward to hearing how you keep up, I'm planning on coming back to live poker full time in ~3 years
 
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I'll consider open limping more and see what that brings about. Going in today so I'll repost with results.

$2/$5 is on the horizons but I'm doing well at $1/$2 and I want to stay there for a while longer until I have a big big bankroll.
 
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So I played for a little over 2.5hrs, and banked $344. I did open a limp a little more - hands like KJ.

My big hand of the session was:

Opponent A open raises from High Jack to $11. Cutoff calls. I have 78clubs and flat as well. Blinds fold out.

Flop comes 2spades 6clubs 9clubs. So I'm a 60% favorite to anything that hit the board.

Opponent A bets $35. Cutoff raises to $90. I contemplate raising on top but decide to flat since I'm most likely %60 against both players. Opponent A folds though.

Aspades hits on the turn, I hit my flush. Cutoff checks, I check behind.

River was a blank. The Cutoff checks again so I figure he has something like JJ-KK. I was trapping for a set which was a mistake or KK with a club, which was a mistake. I figured I'd shove, try to look bluffy. Villain mucked. But I still won a big pot on that one.



Anyway, I point that hand out just because it was a pretty big hand in terms of how it would swing my win rate. On another day that would have cost me $101. But regardless the day went well. Looking at a longer and brighter day tomorrow.
 
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Nice day for 2.5 hours, keep it up!
 
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All are solid points. I also play live. How many hours did you play so far? My win rate is $32/hr currently


I switched off of online poker. While my WR was generally positive I ultimately don't find it that interesting - and boredom is my worst tilt.

So I went to playing live a couple months back. Live, the lowest table for NL is $1/2. $1/2 online is fairly difficult stakes - you're rarely going against people who don't know a little something about the game. Live however, there's a huge mix. Having NOT played live in a while I lost pretty big my first couple goes, but then I adjusted a bit and I'm sitting pretty comfortably at around $50/hr WR.

I'm not a super pro or anything, so take my advice with a grain of salt. I'm just going to lay out some of the strategies that have been working for me.


1) Broad categorization works best.
Online we talk about TAG, LAG, LP, etc etc etc along with VPIP and all that. Ignore all that. At 1/2 live you've got two big categories to look at: Recreational and serious. Within an orbit at the player, usually by looking at people and watching them play, but often times just looking at people is enough, you can predict how they think.

Recreational players: Either passive (tend to be older, or just very new to the game) - they don't speak "bet size" so you can steal a lot of pots or make marginal calls with less equity. OR aggressive (tend to be Italian and grumpy, or semi-wealthy looking business folks out to get the edge out). These guys bluff too much. Give them reason to try a bluff, and they will. They also call without considering "relative hand strength" - so if you think they're strong but you have stronger no need to trap!

Serious: I guess this is me, but I try not to fit the stereotypes. These guys have on excessive swag (headphones, shades, "poker mode" demeanor). Think of basic TAG play, and they will usually do that. These guys tend to be tougher to play against overall though. Respect their pre-flop action and focus on playing hands, strong or speculative, with position.


Limping: Overlimp A LOT, open limp like never. I'm playing an obscene amount of hands live. There's so much limping I'm always getting good odds to see a flop. You'll hit weird hands but when you do there's enough other players that you'll get someone along for the ride. Just be wary that top pair good/top kicker is not good by the river very often. Protect that hand. Take it on the flop or turn. Slow playing and stringing people along with anything less than a solid two pair is going to go badly, and even two pair you need to feel out the board.

Set mining: Yup, still works. Really well.

UTG: Play SUPER SUPER TIGHT. With 9 people behind, you're getting callers. AJo or less is a fold. AK, AQ, AJs, ATs, or PP. No one is watching you for table image like that so chuck that 78s shit out the window.

Late Position: Play LOOSE. Widen the range as much as you can get away with. Put in good size raises too. 78s with three limpers in front of me I'm happy to raise up to $14. All those limpers are going to fold, unless someone calls ahead of them. Either going to take the pot with a speculative hand pre flop, or go into the flop multi-way in position with something that will either miss or hit big. It's worth it.

3-Bet range: Do it by the book. Any early raiser is not folding to a three bet unless they're a "serious" player. Recreational players you are getting value, serious players will react by the book so you are getting information.


Image: Free pass. You're at a $1/2 table. Everyone thinks everyone is bluffing. You don't need to earn your image with reckless bluffs. Get in one or two bluffy looking bets and the whole table assumes you are a nut job. Easy, go get value.
 
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I'm going on about 40hrs at this point and my total wins are just shy of $2,000. I played Friday and bumped +1800 over 7 hours (!). However, about $300 of that came from a mistake I made that happened to turn in my favor (yay implied odds).

I had KK on the hijack, with a straddle in front. I raised to $20. The SB flat called so I put him on a pretty standard range of playable OOP hands. HU to the flop. J 8 2, which is a pretty darn good flop for KK. He checks, I bet $30, he raised to $90. So I'm thinking ok - he's most likely got AJ/KJ, T9s, QQ, or AA. Chance he has 88, 22 or JJ as well. So I figure I'm either way ahead or way behind, but combination wise I'm way ahead of his check-raise range. So I went with a call. Turn brought a King. So now I'm good money. No draws complete, I have the nuts. He bets out $150, I put him all in. He tank-calls and shows J8 off (?). The guy wasn't really playing bluffy so I should have put him on a better hand on the flop, so I made a bad call that happened to work out in my favor.

Saturday was my birthday party so I hit AC and blew over $500 in loose calls and gamble plays, and possibly $100 on tipping the shit out of the servers and dealers.

My variance has been fairly high because I've made a few hero calls and bluff plays which tend to be either lucrative or really costly. Still refining that. I called down a river a straight, flush, and over cards to my pair of fives. But my gut told me fives were best. They weren't, but I went with it. Likewise I had a board that was paired with 2s, Ace high, three clubs on the flop, and a completed straight draw on the river. I had middle pair and called a raise on the river and was good with my middle pair. Just felt right so again I went with it, and that time I was right. So I'm trying to tighten that stuff up.


The big thing I'm finding is that certain tables I will crush souls and other tables I just can't get any momentum.
 
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Mind you, this is only this month. I think total I've played about 120hrs live with somewhere between a 30-50/hr WR. But I haven't been keeping quite as tight a watch as I was transitioning from online to live. Now I'm much more exclusively live so I've been watching things more carefully.
 
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I notice as probably everyone does that as the stakes go up the play is different. I love sitting at a 1-1 table buy in for the min of 40 and just go to town on the weak players just trying to survive. I usually make anywhere between 200-250 at a peak table.. my avg is like 100, then I take that profit and buy into a tournament or play at a higher level..
 
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Always nice to run like a god keep it up
 
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Good information.

I have a lot of experience playing poker for play money (lol), but none live! I've taken my poker study to the next level over the past couple weeks, and am eying trying it live (1/2) at a casino an hour away, so these tips come in handy.
 
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Biggest tip is to identify the tough players and play very thoughtfully against them or not at all. And remember that most players cant let go of a decent hand so dont bluff much. Value value value.
 
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I got to visit home recently and hit the old stomping grounds. The boys wanted to get together and play a little. Guess I can still live poker, lol.

Oh $200nl, always good times
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I got to visit home recently and hit the old stomping grounds. The boys wanted to get together and play a little. Guess I can still live poker, lol.

Oh $200nl, always good times
MoheganSun.jpg

Nice! I actually just moved to Boston. Looks like mohegan sun is on my horizon (pun supremely intended).
 
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Set your sights on Foxwoods too! It's a little closer for you, (about 7 miles) and, I find the tables there much softer.

Foxwoods poker room is huge also, so they have many more tables running.
 
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learning tips of poker game

Hi Friend,
Actually I don't nothing about poker game. would you please tell me something about it.Thanks
 
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nice post as I'm transitioning from online (bored with it) to live. The only thing I would like to add is, at 1/2, when a villain either raises the turn or leads/raises the river, they are going to have the best hand like 90-95% of the time. So unless you got the best possible hand, don't waste money calling. A friend of mine is ave. over $20/hr over the last 2 yrs and this is a MAJOR leak in his game that he knows about, but still can't help himself. I think it's costing him at least $5-$10/hr.
 
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I'll never get over Foxwoods being ridiculous when they were the only casino. Charged $5 per half hour to play $200nl
 
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I've also moved onto live poker and it is awesome! I've found that the key is to analyse every hand even if you aren't in it and you can develop better reads rather than generic "LAG, TAG, fish". Some fish are willing to call down three streets with 55 and some weak fish fold too much, look out for the manic fish who can't help but bluff in every hand and be willing to call them down pretty light.

I find that developing an aggressive image is key and like I like to show a few bluffs to show that I'm not just betting the nuts every time, occasionally I will get called by really poor hands so in the long run it works wonders for the EV. Identify the regs and generally avoid playing against them but try to follow their action because you want all the information you can get when you do end up playing against them with a premium hand. Do they play draws aggressively? How many hands do they play? How often do they c-bet the flop? All great pieces of information which can be decisively as to whether you win or lose against them.
 
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