Originally Posted by sactokid544
There are like two posts in this thread saying the PFR wasn't big enough...I think that's kinda dumb honestly.
The kid opened for $16 pre in a 1/2 game. Sounds pretty standard to me. Why are we trying to open-raise bigger pre? In 200NL live, open-raises to 12-16 are pretty standard.
I'm assuming from the OP's post that he's been at the table long enough to see what happens, in general, with different preflop opens. The 1st hand he flat calls a 4xBB open and from the description it looks like there are 4 players to the flop. The 2nd hand he raises to $16 (assuming over a few limpers) and still gets 2 callers. With his choice of stack size + bankroll and the passive calling the table is doing, IMHO, he needs to play one of two ways.
1) Passive - limp/call preflop with a wide range, pot build with premium hands, flop the nuts (nuts = flush, straights, top 2p, never top pair) and value town or flop a big draw and check/call to see the turn then give up or value town
2) Aggressive - play premium hands, overbet preflop to scoop the dead money or get it heads up and shove almost all flops
With style 1) you are going to have lots of multi-way hands and even AA is barely better than 50% with 3 other players. So you really have to be able to hand read and read the players. You'll be putting a number of smaller amounts into hands that you end up folding and winning smaller pots (for the most parts)
With style 2) you are going to take down a few small pots and then have a few larger pots in which, on average, you'll have a 70%+ win rate.
OP got into the classic live trap of thinking that his raises/actions would be viewed differently by most of the players. Hand #1 with the bet sizing most all live players will call a $8 raise with any suited cards and once they hit the 4-flush they are going to go to the river 90% of the time no matter what it costs. Hand #2 you have a typical see-a-flop player that hit the flop and is willing to see the turn for their idea of a reasonable bet, they could care less about odds. In both of these hands the outcome could have been very much different with style 2.
Sorry to say this Buildingbankroll but you played just like the typical tourist player. Come to the table with an inadequate bankroll, buy-in short and then play exactly the same style of play as every other tourist player at the table.