Limit HoldEm problem

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Defiant777

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I've been playing live 20. - 40. Limit HoldEm for several years as a winning player - I have a solid, aggressive style, but balance my play out. I've recently changed rooms/location and have a magnification of a common problem that I haven't been able to overcome after 4 days at this new location.
Most pots are seen with 5 - 8 way action. There's no ability to protect big hands, and I'm seeing 8-3 suited called cold for 4 bets pre, 7-2 offsuit in the BB when it was 3 bet pre, etc, etc. Pocket 2's calling all the way down with 3-way action to spike a 2 on the river. I normally adopt the strategy that I play the opposite of most of my opponents, so I first tried tightening my game even further - I was just taken off more infrequently, but still on large pots. I then tried lossening my style of play a little and played more suited connectors from behind, and that hasn't worked. It would appear that most of the players in this room have a "hope and a chair" style of play. For the most part, they play like they're playing heads-up, although I'm pretty sure none of them have ever been heads-up or they would understand the difference.
Has anyone out there encountered this issue day after day, and if so, any feedback on what works against a field comprised largely by these players would be helpful. Btw...it's been a full ring game every day so far.
 
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Er... try to just get it in with the nuts and pot-control everything else maybe?

Or just write it off as variance. Getting coolered is part and parcel of playing FL multi way because every pot is like 6 way.

Or try something else like NLHE.

Personally when I was starting out I thought FLHE sounded like my kind of game because it's so difficult to be spewy on it, but now that I know something about pot control and handreading I don't like it so much because the math that goes into deciding whether you have the equity to make X move is just so incredibly complicated. And I'm good at math, I enjoy it even, but like, statistical and game theory math is so cumbersome.
 
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Thanks Aleksei,
I would LOVE to pot control, but they obviously aren't using any math skills to determine their own odds and equity in these hands and 5-betting pre doesn't drive them out. Against a couple of opponents in a pot my hands will fair well most of the time, but against 5-8, I'm up against any Army effectively, and my lone hand has to survive the gaunlet of theirs.
Lol...maybe NL might solve some of that problem, but like I said, I've been playing FL successfully for several years...there must be a solution in this particular game that works.
Yes, I see that I must expect a much larger variance in this game.
Thanks again!:)
 
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Lol...not at the live game I'm talking about:eek:
 
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Ah, my bad. So people play limit live? :O
 
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You need to adjust the types of hands you're playing, and maybe look to thin the herd on the flop if you can't pre. Schooling isn't that big a deal, just get in cheap with your small pairs & JTs type hands and take all their money.
 
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Thank you c9h13no3 for hard advice I can apply to the table and see how it works. I've been trying to separate myself from the pack by playing opposite opponents, but it sounds like you're saying that if I can get in cheap enough, to go ahead and school with the rest of them on a wider range, and then fold on the flop if I don't hit it solid or have odds for a draw.
Along that line of thought, and this may sound like a sophmoric question, as I'm used to playing at tables MUCH more balanced (the only "balance" I've seen at the table so far is that I'm sitting with LAGs and LAPs, but the LAPS are calling stations for virtually anything, such as pocket 5's all the way down with no straight draw on the board (I won't even get into their flush draws with their 5:eek: ...both types in almost all of the same hands), but let's say I'm in mid to late position and UTG raises, it's then 3-bet behind him (we're still talking limit here) and I look down at pocket 6's. I've been throwing hands like that away at that point, and most often (of course) the flop would have be a blank for me, but the times I would have hit something like that solid, the win would be a monster. Would you suggest fishing in on those and other suited 1-2 gap connectors, or only limp in with those if it's cheap, as your reply would suggest?
I would love to pick your brain more on this subject! If that's not possible, are you aware of any "charts" that convey starting hand/position strategies against these types of players? Another hurdle in this scenario is that I'm getting sandwiched between the LAG trying to bull his way through a flop and turn where I've already hit the current nuts and because of his range, I normally can't tell if he's got the second nuts, or a draw...and the LAP who's still holding onto hope that because there are 5 other players still in, he might catch his 2-outer. I'm picking up very few tells here and there against 2 of the locals, but not enough to combat the current high variation. The first couple of hours I was in this new room, I was watching closely to see if there might me some "locals" colusion going on, but that quickly dissapated when I saw that they're playing the same way whether I'm in the hand or not.
One of the LAGs, because of the variance they also experience due to their style, doesn't have a problem dropping $5 - $6K into the game in multiple buy-ins in a night if needed and then will either start catching, or call it quits for the night. From my observation in the first 4 days, this person is up about $12K in that period of time. I'm not sure if that provides additional useful information for purposes of this discussion, but thought I should include it.
Your advice and suggestions are appreciated very much!:)
 
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