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All right guys, I guess it's time to make a thread before I start spamming the Hand analysis subforum.

I've been a losing cash player (tourneys are a bit better but can definitely use some improving too), and I want to change that.

So I'll be posting here, hoping to see my bankroll grow in time.

starting bankroll was 0. never made a deposit. But thanks to CC I won 2 freerolls, and came in 2nd once. So I got around 60$ in money.

I'm down to 34

Here are some questionable hands from a long zoom session from today:

Hand 1
PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 244.5 BB
SB: 170.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 65.5 BB
UTG: 108 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 4)
MP: 140.5 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
CO: 101 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:heart: A:club:

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, MP raises to 25.5 BB, Hero calls 18.5 BB

Flop: (52.5 BB, 2 players) J:spade: Q:diamond: 6:heart:
MP bets 25.5 BB, Hero calls 25.5 BB

Turn: (103.5 BB, 2 players) 9:club:
MP bets 89.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 89.5 BB

River: (282.5 BB, 2 players) T:spade:

Result 1
MP shows A:heart: A:diamond: (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 93%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows Q:heart: A:club: (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 7%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
MP wins 272.5 BB
AA was in his range, but I figured: well if he has it he has it. Maybe should have been avoided by folding to his 4bet? Or fold the turn?

Hand 2
PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 162.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 12)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
UTG: 104 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
MP: 387.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
CO: 159.5 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5:heart: 6:heart:

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB, fold, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 3 players) 9:heart: 3:diamond: 2:club:
BB checks, UTG bets 3.5 BB, Hero calls 3.5 BB, fold

Turn: (13.5 BB, 2 players) 8:club:
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (13.5 BB, 2 players) 7:spade:
UTG bets 13 BB, Hero raises to 36 BB, UTG raises to 98.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 58.5 BB and is all-in

Result 2
UTG shows J:club: T:diamond: (Straight, Jack High)
(Pre 61%, Flop 60%, Turn 77%)
Hero shows 5:heart: 6:heart: (Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 39%, Flop 40%, Turn 23%)
UTG wins 195.5 BB

I did NOT put him on JT after he raised on the flop. I was pretty sure I had him beaten.

Hand 3
PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 126.5 BB
SB: 148 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 5)
BB: 64 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: 124.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 106 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: 139 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8:spade: A:spade:

UTG raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, SB raises to 11 BB, fold, UTG calls 8.5 BB, Hero calls 8.5 BB

Flop: (34 BB, 3 players) 6:diamond: 7:diamond: 8:heart:
SB checks, UTG bets 18 BB, Hero calls 18 BB, fold

Turn: (70 BB, 2 players) 9:diamond:
UTG bets 37 BB, fold

UTG wins 67.5 BB

Opinions on this one? should I have called or folded earlier? Other thoughts?

Hand 4: Never too sure about these ones. I guess I was setmining. Thoughts?
PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: 145 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 110 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP: 363 BB (VPIP: 36.00, PFR: 28.00, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 26)
Hero (CO): 198.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6:spade: 6:heart:

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB raises to 12.5 BB, Hero calls 9.5 BB, SB calls 9.5 BB

Flop: (37.5 BB, 3 players) T:heart: 3:diamond: 5:spade:
SB checks, BB bets 18.5 BB, fold, fold

BB wins 36 BB

Hand 5: This is a beauty!!
PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 134 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
SB: 335 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BB: 30 BB
UTG: 101 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (MP): 101.5 BB
CO: 48.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:diamond: K:spade:

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 2:club: 7:diamond: 5:heart:
BB checks, Hero bets 2 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Turn: (10.5 BB, 2 players) 2:spade:
BB bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

River: (30.5 BB, 2 players) 4:club:
BB bets 15 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 15 BB

BB shows 6:heart: 3:diamond: (Straight, Seven High)
(Pre 15%, Flop 20%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows K:diamond: K:spade: (Two Pair, Kings and Twos)
(Pre 85%, Flop 80%, Turn 91%)
BB wins 58.5 BB

Hand 6: Never quite know what to do in these situations.
PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 141 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
SB: 31.5 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
BB: 200 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
Hero (UTG): 110 BB
MP: 111.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:diamond: K:heart:

Hero raises to 3 BB, MP raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 5 BB

Flop: (17.5 BB, 2 players) T:diamond: 7:diamond: 6:spade:
Hero checks, MP bets 9.5 BB, Hero calls 9.5 BB

Turn: (36.5 BB, 2 players) 3:diamond:
Hero checks, MP bets 22.5 BB, Hero calls 22.5 BB

River: (81.5 BB, 2 players) Q:spade:
Hero checks, MP bets 71.5 BB and is all-in, fold

MP wins 78.5 BB

Hand 7: Can I get away here?
PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 115.5 BB
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 700.5 BB (VPIP: 6.25, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
UTG: 273 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
MP: 40.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 163 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:heart: Q:club:

fold, MP raises to 4 BB, fold, BTN raises to 7 BB, Hero raises to 20 BB, fold, MP raises to 40.5 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 33.5 BB, Hero calls 20.5 BB

Flop: (122.5 BB, 3 players) 7:diamond: 5:club: J:spade:
Hero checks, BTN bets 75 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 59.5 BB and is all-in

Turn: (241.5 BB, 3 players) A:diamond:

River: (241.5 BB, 3 players) 4:diamond:

Hero shows Q:heart: Q:club: (One Pair, Queens)

BTN shows J:heart: J:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Jacks)

MP shows K:heart: T:heart: (High Card, Ace)

BTN wins 233 BB
 
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Oh here's the graph from the session.
PS is on maintenance so I can't say exactly how much of a bankroll I have now. But I'll edit in later.
 

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GZ for making profit. Your redline started to dive around 600 hands, that is good time to have a break.

Take these as a grain of salt, but I need to practice.

Hand 1
Given villain stats even his 3bet will crush you, his 4bet is ridiculously strong. Generally speaking only hand good enough to consider play is AK anyways in 3bet pots against tight tags. Also given tag stats, small bet -> raise is a tell that says I’m strong. So even AK is not really playable here, but is not really a mistake.

Hand 2
Fold flop. Learn to strongly consider folding to reraise, like 85% cases auto fold. Rule#1: 3barreling is very strong Rule#2: Raising OTR is ridiculously strong. Think about what hands you would raise generally on the river?

Hand 3:
Fold pre, playing this takes too much skill against all but known fish, but you can practice of course. You can 3bet if you totally bored.

Hand 4:
you were deep, in position, that was good call for set mining, as we read SB is weak too.

Hand 5:
Ok, but better just CB a bit larger, if he has anything he will play. If he raises, just get it in on the first opportunity. Curse of small stack, they need be read fish every time, sucks if they are not :(

Hand 6
Looked fine. AK is bitch.

Hand 7
When BTN only calls, I would just ship it. Slow play is possible but more often than not players are eager to get it in with good hands, because they hate to be out drawn. You can choose between folding and gii, stack to pot ratio is too small to make calling reasonable anymore.
 
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Good luck mate!!
Will be following of course.

:party::party::party:

I'll try to say what I think of the hands later on.
BTW have you gone back to completely playing zoom? And how many tables do you play?
Keep posting session progress.
 
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Good luck mate!!
Will be following of course.

:party::party::party:

I'll try to say what I think of the hands later on.
BTW have you gone back to completely playing zoom? And how many tables do you play?
Keep posting session progress.
I play both zoom and cash. Mostly cash but yesterday and today I played zoom to try it out a bit again. I feel like I can beat it, or at least not lose right now.
2 zoom tables, and 1 or 2 cash when i play some sng's

This graph is 3-4 sessions in 1. I might play some more later on today.
 
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Hand 2
Fold flop. Learn to strongly consider folding to reraise, like 85% cases auto fold. Rule#1: 3barreling is very strong Rule#2: Raising OTR is ridiculously strong. Think about what hands you would raise generally on the river?

Thanks for your input on the hands!
Flop. Raise seemed small enough to call given the implied odds.
Reraise on the river: tbf i had the 3rd nuts, so folding to me, even knowing what he had, seems weird in this spot.

For some reason I can't edit my first and second post. It's not the first time it happens. Does anyone know how come?
Anyway my bankroll went from 34.35 to 34.75 after this session. Enough to get things going hopefully.
 
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Thanks for your input on the hands!
Flop. Raise seemed small enough to call given the implied odds.
Reraise on the river: tbf i had the 3rd nuts, so folding to me, even knowing what he had, seems weird in this spot.

4 outs about, meaning you have 8% to hit turn, if we assume you win his stack 100%:
EV= 0.08*109.5 - 0.92*3.5 = 5.54, so yes profit. Then again close of break even.

To be break even before rake, you need to stack him 36% of time, that sounds high? Then we need to add rake and also he outdrawing hero on the river, given his range would be strong too at least 5% To call guts you should have also some other merits, maybe A-high, you might even have the best hand at that time. Also notice that extra stack depth helps to rationalize this.

If we also include rake 4% and 5% penalty on the river, we need to win whopping 40% of times his whole stack to make calling profitable:
EV= 0.08*0.95*0.96*0.403*109.5 - 0.92*3.5 = 0

Well to be exact I did not suggest folding, because that would be too hard and maybe even wrong. Just saying that it’s the default line almost always, you need to find a reason to call and not other way around.
 
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Hand 1 - AQo
This is a fishy play I've seen so much on 2NL & somewhat on 5NL. And one spot where zoom play gives them a better edge since you got little readings on the players. When a player makes a play like this quickly note down that he does that which is limp or min raise & quickly 4 bet huge. Once a player does this you got to evaluate your hand strength when calling the 4bet. Even if you called top pair isn't good enough to go the distance. Has happened to me countless times. Without much info of the player it's a fold pre for the 4 bet for me

Hand 2 - 56s
Pre is fine I guess. But I prefer 3betting on normal tables > player dependent. If the player is a decent one I'd fold. Do not chase gut shots. If you a getting a cheap price, consider the pot odds with the price & proceed.

Hand 3 - A8s
Not sure but a fold to the 3bet & utg flatting. For one SB is 3 betting against 2 players where the utg is also included assuming he's positionally aware.
Second what are the hands that you are hoping to win with hand In a multiway 3bet pot? Most o the times an ace on the board won't do you much good cause a higher kicker would be there. There's no straight possibility. Any overpair will have your 8 dominated. So you are only targeting flush draws. But since you have position pre is ok I guess. I'm folding flop without player readings.

Hand 4 - 66
Not sure. BB could be purely floating with ace high. But betting into two opponents means he's strong. Again would be nice to have some player readings.

Hand 5 - KK
Bet bigger flop. I'd personally shove turn I think not sure.

Hand 6 - AK
easy 4 bet for me. as a general rule as I explained in my thread I don't like to flat AK.
Even then, what's the purpose of floating here? I'd only float against people who bluff too much on dry boards.
Board texture is important as well as the player. Also he's 3 betting an UTG open. You just let him walk all over you.

Hand 7 - QQ
Shove pre when the MP shoves. Dead money.

Not having player readings is a bit of a handicap for me. Since the 2NL zoom player pool is pretty huge this is a problem.
There must be some mistakes in my analysis.
Listen to other many experienced players than me :D
 
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Not a fan of `zoom` poker,but good luck:D
 
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Not a fan of `zoom` poker,but good luck:D

I don't blame you. It's incredibly tricky. My second session today was bad.

I fold too much. Or I call and don't commit too much. I get into pots I back out of when they bet enough. I don't know what exactly is happening but I have to do something about it. My red line is awful.

I'm going to stop playing for a while and try to post some hands I think are interesting to try and look for why I lose so much.

If any of you guys have any recomendation on how to track these leaks you're welcome to post them! I'm really new to using PT4.

Stars roll down from 34.75 to 29.24

EDIT: I selected all my folds from today with a filter I made, and saw I lost around 29$ in folds. Which means I made others fold for around 22$. I'm gonna start running through the hands now during the CCFR.
 

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Hand 1 - when you were 4 bet 25BB, you should have released AQo as you are dominated by QQ, KK, AA, AK. When you made the 25BB call, what hand did you put your opponent on?

Hand 2 - When you made the ignorant end of the straight on the river, you should have just called as you do not want to open a all in bluff or all in nut hand with a
raise. Drawing to the ignorant end of the straight or raising will cost you a lot of money.
 
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Here are some hands I thought were quite tough. Need some analysis.

Hand 1.
PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 126.5 BB
SB: 148 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 5)
BB: 64 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: 124.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 106 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: 139 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8:spade: A:spade:

UTG raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, SB raises to 11 BB, fold, UTG calls 8.5 BB, Hero calls 8.5 BB

Flop: (34 BB, 3 players) 6:diamond: 7:diamond: 8:heart:
SB checks, UTG bets 18 BB, Hero calls 18 BB, fold

Turn: (70 BB, 2 players) 9:diamond:
UTG bets 37 BB, fold

UTG wins 67.5 BB

Hand 2:
I feel like I've been in spots like this a few times. where I call 3 bets and keep calling on a mediocre flop because I have pp. If I setmine when there's a 3bet , I should probably just fold each time I miss completely. Thoughts?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 113.5 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
SB: 114 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 9)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 9)
UTG: 102 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
Hero (MP): 139 BB
CO: 126.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6:spade: 6:diamond:

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB raises to 12 BB, Hero calls 9 BB, fold

Flop: (27 BB, 2 players) 8:diamond: 3:heart: 9:heart:
BB bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Turn: (53 BB, 2 players) Q:heart:
BB bets 25.5 BB, fold

BB wins 51 BB

Hand 3
I feel like I should chec the flop. I tried to steal, it didn't work. Don't chase. On the turn I might have to fold to the reraise as well. I'm not sure here. Same goes for the river. maybe call, maybe fold. But I feel like the fold was justified.
PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 326.5 BB
SB: 69.5 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 102 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: 173 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 213 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
CO: 50.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:diamond: 2:spade:

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, SB calls 2 BB, fold

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 7:club: 6:spade: 8:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, SB calls 4 BB

Turn: (14 BB, 2 players) A:club:
SB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, SB raises to 17 BB, Hero calls 11 BB

River: (48 BB, 2 players) A:spade:
SB bets 46 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 46.5 BB

Hand 4
Alucard I know what you're going to say. Shove pre. Next time I play I'll stop flatting AK and see how it goes.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 67 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
SB: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 7)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG: 83 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (CO): 259 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:spade: K:club:

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG raises to 22 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Flop: (45.5 BB, 2 players) J:spade: 6:heart: 3:heart:
UTG bets 61 BB and is all-in, fold

UTG wins 44 BB

Hand 5
I think hands like these are played fine. But I'm posting this one just to make sure. Any thoughts? should I play it differently?
PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 158 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BB: 76 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
UTG: 132 BB
MP: 104 BB
CO: 114.5 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J:spade: J:heart:

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 8:heart: K:diamond: 6:heart:
MP checks, Hero bets 12 BB, MP raises to 95 BB and is all-in, fold

MP wins 42 BB
 
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Cash games are way different then tournaments. People will try to crack your hands more. Just play position and 3 bet more

Also, if you are better at tournaments, there is no harm just sticking to those.
 
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Most of the hands you post are player dependent.
To give good answers you should have some player readings or decent hud stats about them which you don't at this point.
So play more mathematically considering odds & outs & ranges.

Hand 1 you've posted earlier.
Hand 2 - yeah not the spot to bluff catch. His 3bet stats are interesting but small sample. have 3 betted 6 out of 9 hands right? Take a note on him. Fold on turn seems correct. Also take note of his sizings. reraising to 4 times is pretty interesting even though it's from the blinds. Some of my most interesting winnings have come from these kind of spots where the V would 3 bet & overplay something like AK two streets. Some would give up on the turn so I'd easily value bet or even bluff them on the river. That's the positional advantage

Hand 3 - Usually when a SB defends his blind he reps a decent hand than the BB would defend. I prefer 3 betting or folding from SB as per John's recommendation and also Doug polk has said never to flat on SB.
He could have decent connectors, pairs etc.
One thing to note is the time V takes to make his decisions. Take advantage of that cause at these stakes people don't think it through. I'm not sure what the V reps here but even if he had an ace, he's got you beat. So at these points I would pot control by checking the turn & try to bluff catch on the river considering the sizing.

Hand 4 - One thing Figaroo has told me is that to play AK pre as you would AA & KK but play post flop as ace high when not connecting. I don't like to GII with AK, so I'd fold for the 4 bet. But someone could argue to GII.
I do flat AK at 5NL though trying to under-rep my hand. Specially against UTG open when I'm at the blinds.


Hand 5 - looks fine to me. But this is the thing with zoom poker specially at 2NL. People go super crazy for no reason at all. Sometimes they bluff shove, or just shove blasting off potential value they could gain. And it's very hard to find what's what.
 
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lol wut? :idea:
9 handed zoom poker for instance not only makes it far less often that you are playing at a table of less than 9 physical players meaning you are ALWAYS at 2/9 chance of involuntary payment (blinds) and 0 people sitting out which, if they were to do that, would have increased chance of you involuntarily leaking chips assuming you have weak or even medium hand and your 1BB is raised to 3BB+ preflop but furthermore mitigates HUD abuse so severely that having HUD in zoom poker is so pointless as you have no idea how many of the players' moves were purely position based or cards based etc. Also in Zoom VPIP is ALWAYS close to AF unless a total loose fish is deciding to play for the thrill of it. This means whether tight or loose, it's very likely all players once entering a hand are trying to reduce WTSD (especially the looser ones).

In other words, the stats that normally you combine to give range or playstyle no longer give that information as there's always at least 2 playstyles or range types who'd fall into a stat combo since zoom puts people in situations where they are far more frequentaly going to play hardball once in a hand. Loose and Tight players both will have a high AF in zoom in my opinion (I could be wrong as I don't have HUD but I'm definitely certain that VPIP and AF are disproportionately representing an aggressive player no matter what playstyle a person has in zoom poker.
 
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So you don't like using a hud & now you try to find a game that makes a hud impractical to use?
All your theories & ideas are based on how you are adjusting the game to your liking.
All this hud abuser nonsense.
Also the arguments you are making totally contradicts with the certain LAGish play style you are trying to improve. You are trying to play more of an exploitative style where zoom poker it's more of a mathematics, GTO based game
And believe me, HUDs are most certainly used by a very high number of players in zoom when you move up the stakes.
 
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So you don't like using a hud & now you try to find a game that makes a hud impractical to use?
All your theories & ideas are based on how you are adjusting the game to your liking.
All this hud abuser nonsense.
Also the arguments you are making totally contradicts with the certain LAGish play style you are trying to improve. You are trying to play more of an exploitative style where zoom poker it's more of a mathematics, GTO based game
And believe me, HUDs are most certainly used by a very high number of players in zoom when you move up the stakes.
Yeah I definitely don't play LAG in zoom, I don't deny that.

I play in between LAG and TAG in non-zoom so that HUDs give totally distorted reads on me and also non-HUD smart users still will remain confused.
 
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I play both zoom and cash. Mostly cash but yesterday and today I played zoom to try it out a bit again. I feel like I can beat it, or at least not lose right now.
2 zoom tables, and 1 or 2 cash when i play some sng's

This graph is 3-4 sessions in 1. I might play some more later on today.
Perhaps you've read the blog by Blackrain79 (Nathan Williams) He is enormously experienced in microstakes and his blogs and books are a must read. He says if you really want to progress you need to stay away from zoom . Any thoughts?
 
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Perhaps you've read the blog by Blackrain79 (Nathan Williams) He is enormously experienced in microstakes and his blogs and books are a must read. He says if you really want to progress you need to stay away from zoom . Any thoughts?
absolutely incorrect. He clearly is hud-reliant.
 
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Perhaps you've read the blog by Blackrain79 (Nathan Williams) He is enormously experienced in microstakes and his blogs and books are a must read. He says if you really want to progress you need to stay away from zoom . Any thoughts?
I would agree.;) (it`s fun to play but,,,,)
 
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Error in not knowing how to bet

Many beginner players commit bizarre bets, they do not know how much they bet, I have a tip for you, when you bet you do not want to make sizes too small and too large, enter a stocking. The beginning player hits a top pair on the flop and bet 1BB, so you are giving your opponent the opportunity to see the next card and improve his game, so you can not bet too small. Same thing for a big bet, you hit a jackpot on the flop and bet 10BB, so your opponent gives up the hand and you lose the chance to draw chips. So CC people hope to be collaborating, thank you!
 
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THanks for the advice guys. I saw a post from blackrain a couple of days ago, and forgot to save his links. Thanks for reminding me. I'll look into your advice and will stay away for zoom until I know what I'm doing. I'll be reviewing some more hands later on and posting them.

Sorry for posting some hands twice. I'll try to avoid it, I'm just scrolling through so many of them I can't remember them all. I'll have to start taking notes.

CCFR yesterday, made the money for 0.75c, so my bankroll went up to 29.99. But I'll keep my "cash bankroll" at 29.24.
 
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