Lets settle this once and for all ! Deep stack Vs 100bb !

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Hi guys !
I just wonder where the better players win, is it deep stacked or 100bb max ?
I mean i see all the pros playing deep with 250bb+ and i mean if its more skills in deep stacked then i´m heading there for sure !
I mean it makes sense that deeper stacks would give the bigger edge for the better players cuz you can make your hand hard and dont have to risk it all with only a pair and a flush draw etc...etc... its more like sets,straights,flush and so on...

So what do you guys think ?
Thanks !
 
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Definitely deepstack is more complicated and gives a bigger to the better players.

A lot of players, even pretty good ones at regular situations are totally lost when deepstacked. You can't just hit top pair and stack off anymore...not profitably anyway.
 
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Can't settle this once and for all.......
 
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Deepstack because it allows more room to play instead of quickly finding yourself having to shove and leaving it up to the poker gods. That means less variance and less variance favors skill over luck.
 
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Deepstack because it allows more room to play instead of quickly finding yourself having to shove and leaving it up to the poker gods. That means less variance and less variance favors skill over luck.
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Deepstack because it allows more room to play instead of quickly finding yourself having to shove and leaving it up to the poker gods. That means less variance and less variance favors skill over luck.

That was exactly what i thought... thanks !:D
 
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Can't settle this once and for all.......

I've played over 100k hands at deep tables, and I agree with this. The problem is that fish rarely buy in deep, but the regs always do. So it doesn't up your win rate that much, but increases your variance a lot.
 
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What do you mean with increases variance ? do you mean that it will swing more often or not as much as 100bb ?
 
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What do you mean with increases variance ? do you mean that it will swing more often or not as much as 100bb ?

Think about it!
Your risking more money to win more money so yes of course swings are going to be greater,the more bb you buy in for on a regular basis, the higher the variance.
 
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Think about it!
Your risking more money to win more money so yes of course swings are going to be greater,the more bb you buy in for on a regular basis, the higher the variance.

^That is if you lose many pots, think about in deepstacked CG you might have 90% more often to win a pot, but in 100bb max you will only have 70% so i dont know if you´re right in this one...
 
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^That is if you lose many pots, think about in deepstacked CG you might have 90% more often to win a pot, but in 100bb max you will only have 70% so i dont know if you´re right in this one...
huh? care to explain (I'm lost here on this ^ )
 
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The variance will occur more often if you got lower percentage when you´re all in right ?
I mean deepstacked you will more often have better winning percentage.
For an example AA vs KK preflop you cant ever avoid in 100bb max and thats 80%.
Deepstacked you might call and get a set and you now have 90% with your three kings and because of that you wont lose the pot as often, obviously. = Less variance right ?
 
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^help instead of insulting would you ?
I dont need this crap if some people should act like jerks on this site
 
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less fish = less edge = bigger swings mate
 
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rythm i think what their trying to say is cold decks will happen in 100bb or 250bb. In 100bb it might be ak vs kk pre in a 250bb game it might be set over set or flush over flush ect. Either way the chips are going in and your losing or winning twice as much so the varience is bound to be greater.
 
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The variance will occur more often if you got lower percentage when you´re all in right ?
I mean deepstacked you will more often have better winning percentage.
For an example AA vs KK preflop you cant ever avoid in 100bb max and thats 80%.
Deepstacked you might call and get a set and you now have 90% with your three kings and because of that you wont lose the pot as often, obviously. = Less variance right ?


I know what your saying but its wrong.

Basically the advantages of having a deepstack are that your implied odds increase due to the size of the stacks, which means you can now call in position with hands that you would fold with a normal stack.
It also makes it possible to call 3-bets for set value, which you normally wouldn't be able to do with a regular size stack, well not profitably anyway, LR.
You can now call, in pos with SC, Axs after a cold call for value, but only in pos.
Lots of other concepts like 4-bet bluffing with high-fold equity, not going into great detail, but basically its a complete different game where variance (as were effectively playing with 2-2.5 or usual stack) is going to be more significant(bigger swings) than if we were with 1 stack.

If you cant understand that then...maybe i dunno, sit down on one of my tables.;)
 
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The variance will occur more often if you got lower percentage when you´re all in right ?
I mean deepstacked you will more often have better winning percentage.
For an example AA vs KK preflop you cant ever avoid in 100bb max and thats 80%.
Deepstacked you might call and get a set and you now have 90% with your three kings and because of that you wont lose the pot as often, obviously. = Less variance right ?

^help instead of insulting would you ?
I dont need this crap if some people should act like jerks on this site

The reason for the icons (which were not insulting IMO, but simply the way he felt after reading the top quote) is your reasoning makes no sense. Of course if you get AA vs KK and hit your set you will probably win, but what does stack size have to do with that? And where do you get 90%? If the board is K 7 3 RB, you may be 91-92% but if it is KQJ monotone (his color) then you are 57-58%. Your reasoning is very questionable in a few posts.

Playing deep is another strategy. The Messiah covered some good points. And IMO, if I were you, I would avoid his tables if you can.... :) (sorry M)
 
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