Leaking to Sets - any advice ?

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I am trying to work on my post flop technique by being more aggressive (check/raise, barreling etc).

I seem to be leaking pretty badly to sets, when I have TPTK.

For example, I get in big pre-flop with say KK or AA, AK or AQ.

Then the flop comes with say, something like:

(A,K or Q), 8, 3 - (if I have AK or AQ, whichever matches) or

8 5 2 if I have AA or KK.

I am practicing so I understand I will lose some of these hands. In tonights session, I must have lost 4 buy ins getting into big pots at the flop only to see villain flipping a set of 8's or a set of 6's.

Can anyone please advise me on how to assess whether my big pairs are really being trapped by a set ?

It's a leak I need to plug :>)

Many thanks everyone.

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Just bet smaller man, play some small ball poker. No need to get it all in everytime you have tptk.
 
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Thanks for the advice.

I reckon the problem is that I am trying to work on my aggression (with a bit of success).

It means I am winning more before the showdown, plus when I do win a hand it tends to be for a bigger pot than usual.

The same technique exposes me to sets, though my opening hands and post flop action is the same. I just don't see the sets, I guess because I would expect people to fold weaker pocket pairs when in fact they pay quite high to see a flop.

If I have a big hand going to the flop, is there a play that would indicate someone has a set ?

Thanks again for the help.

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AA or KK this only top pair, in early phase no need play in flop shove all stack, better pot control. TPTK identical situation, pot control help you avoid many troubles.
 
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Start ranging players. If some nitty opponent is suddenly getting aggressive on an A-8-3 board when you have AK, don't snap-call. Come up with a possible range and make a good decision. Sets are going to whack you now and again.
 
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Fold to any turn or river raise is a pretty good blanket statement at micros takes. It might be wrong sometimes, but it's gonna be correct so often you really don't want to mess.

Otherwise definitely go for 3 streets of value. Given you bet about 70 percent pot on all three streets, the final pot size usually is not big enough for a set to profitably mine you, so you really shouldn't afraid of people calling you down with sets, as they are really not making much out of you.

This of course assuming you don't exclusively raise QQ+ which make you like a set miner's wet dream, you having hands that can miss flops makes them set mining you and folding to missed flops even less profitable.
 
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Just ask yourself: "what hand can this opponent realistically have that warrants all this action." If the pot was not 3bet pre-flop, sets are going to be a huge portion of those hands. Obviously some people are going to war with weaker hands, but if it feels like they got a set; it's probably a set. If you are unsure you can check the turn and try to either check or call the river.
 
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i think one has to focus in the villain´s game more than one game, if he performs like he has something bigger than a top pair well becareful, but if one knows them if easier to anticipate, but not always, so time to time one is suppose to lose with sets, the chances to hit a set in the flop are really small, but when happens is terrific, and if is against us we suffer more than acpeted but that is poker
 
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At micros most of the villains play face up. But for you to know what a move means for a certain player you need to know what type of player he is like Mr. Sandbag said. Most of the micro players will setmine regardless of position or expectation. If a passive guy is giving you action postflop you can be sure you are not good there no matter how bad he is. Not the same thing could be said about aggressive guys. And it is all logic. If someone with an AF or 0.7 is waking up suddenly on the turn or river and reraise than he is doing this for a reason. He has you crushed.
 
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If people are playing back at you then generally TPTK is not going to win the hand often enough to make it profitable to call.
 
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Imo dont let them get in there cheaply if its 2nl raise 5bb on average because modt people will call that

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Imo dont let them get in there cheaply if its 2nl raise 5bb on average because modt people will call that

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This actually makes it worse for OP. He has a postflop leak not a preflop one, by raising larger pre and thus lowering the SPR postflop, he will find it even harder to justifiably fold TPTK to action.

@OP Pretty much fold to most flop/turn/river raises unless you have information suggesting villain can do it with less than teh nuttiest range ever.
 
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Oh well heres great advice if your a complete newbie stay super nitty at 2nl and 5nl dont call unless youve got a set or better...me well I can read hands pretty good so idk lol when they limp in and than make a huge raise kn a 3 10 6 r bpard its pretty obvious theyve got two pair or three of a kind

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This actually makes it worse for OP. He has a postflop leak not a preflop one, by raising larger pre and thus lowering the SPR postflop, he will find it even harder to justifiably fold TPTK to action.

@OP Pretty much fold to most flop/turn/river raises unless you have information suggesting villain can do it with less than teh nuttiest range ever.

It makes their set mining much less profitable though.

Anyway, fold to nearly all turn and river yes and most flop 'initially' until you get some reads on flop raise, cause far as I know the flop is the only street these players ever get fancy with, including yours truly....lol I'm a bad reg

Flop raise can mean of course danutZ, a flush/straight draw or even tpwk
 
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It makes their set mining much less profitable though.

Anyway, fold to nearly all turn and river yes and most flop 'initially' until you get some reads on flop raise, cause far as I know the flop is the only street these players ever get fancy with, including yours truly....lol I'm a bad reg

Flop raise can mean of course danutZ, a flush/straight draw or even tpwk

We don't them to be less profitable though. We wan't them to be unprofitable. As it stands OP struggles to fold his top-end 1P hands. Raising larger pre doesn't fix his problems.

The advice of "raise larger pre" should be applied if we are attempting to exploit the setminers. Exploiting them in this manner only makes OP slightly less exploitable and doesn't actually fix his issue. We should look to advise him on how to avoid being exploited in these postflop scenarios as opposed to giving him preflop advice that exploits his opponents in a minimal fashion, but has the drawback that it makes it harder for him to fold post when they do actually flop a set and give action.


@OP just stop and think everytime you get raised postflop, take your time thinking through what the villain could have, be realistic in your expectations of winning the hand and you should be able to start making good folds.
 
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Yeah start ranging your opponents.....get a HUD if you haven't already got one and take notes.....if a passive player limps pre and comes out firing on the turn or river then your TPTK isn't very good here usually.....if you look at the whole hand and actions you can get enough info to save yourself some money.....but keep being aggresive and betting for value at the same time.
 
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I can give you advice not to be very happy when you get the hand AK or AQ .
Not as strong hands that can win the big pot but is likely to lose a large amount of money from someone else who have set.
Play more carefully, be aggressive when you know that you got the strongest hand
Good Luck!
 
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