Originally Posted by zachvac
Disagree. If they bet, you still act last. You get to see what they do and thus narrow their range down while you have not acted and your range is still the same as it was on the previous street. I don't think you quite understand the concept of why being in position is an advantage. It isn't just getting a chance at a free card.
That's just what I was thinking.
Too many people think they lose their positional advantage when someone in front of them bets.
You still have a strong advantage, even if someone moves all in ahead of you on the flop. For example, if you flop a decent hand in a cash game, but it is not a hand you would lose your whole stack on, you would like to bet it and get called. If you are out of position and bet it, and your opponent goes all in, now you have to fold. However, if you reverse your positions and he goes all in before you have a chance to act, now you can fold and you save the bet you were going to make.
I think that is a good illustration of why position is an advantage no matter what your opponents do ahead of you.
Having players at your table who do not understand this concept is one of the best things you can hope for. A player that understands starting hand selection, relative hand strengths, how much to bet, how to read people, etc., but DOES NOT use or understand the advantage of positon...well, he might as well just give you his money.
I especially like over agressive online player that get themselves committed by playing a hand out of position. I am inclined to raise most times on the flop if I flop a set, but some of the best pots I have won have come when I flop top set on an unconnected rainbow board and a player out of position bets the flop. I can now safely call without raising and he, being an overagressive online moron, will, almost 100% of the time, make a huge bet on the turn to chase me out. Now when I move all in, he has become committed to whatever hand he has pushed so hard from a bad seat and I rake his chips over and start stacking them. That is an amazing feeling. And you don't even have to work for it because the out of position player did all the work for you.