KQ,KJ,QJ question

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I am a newbie. I have play Hold'em for two months.
I have a question.I am in the button with KQ/KJ/QJ. the early position people raie 3BB.Should I call or fold.Many time I play , I found I meet the AK,AQ,AJ many time.So it just terrifies me!You know ,there is little opportunity to win AK/AQ/AJ.But I have position,and it is not always be that situation.Is that +EV to call in the button?Thanks.
 
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some book tell me KQ/KJ/QJ is good cards,But I can't get profit from them.so I ask this question.
 
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Howdy. It's true they are above average hands. They are sometimes called trouble hands because they're dominated by a lot of what an EP raiser will open with depending on their stats. You may find yourself being out kicked playing anything but a small pot with them (one of the names for KJ is actually "the rookie hand"). That being said, as you gain more experience playing poker you'll certainly find yourself playing such broadway hands in position against a single raise more often than not (more so in 6max games). What to play and what to muck isn't a simple subject to get into since winning players will play taggy laggy and everything in between. If you post some hands or at the very least detail more specific playing situations then I think the responses will help you get a better feel for when to play a hand and when to pick a better spot.
 
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Howdy. It's true they are above average hands. They are sometimes called trouble hands because they're dominated by a lot of what an EP raiser will open with depending on their stats. You may find yourself being out kicked playing anything but a small pot with them (one of the names for KJ is actually "the rookie hand"). That being said, as you gain more experience playing poker you'll certainly find yourself playing such broadway hands in position against a single raise more often than not (more so in 6max games). What to play and what to muck isn't a simple subject to get into since winning players will play taggy laggy and everything in between. If you post some hands or at the very least detail more specific playing situations then I think the responses will help you get a better feel for when to play a hand and when to pick a better spot.
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Yes.It is truouble hand. And I haven't enough experience to play such trouble hand now.Some hand is easy to play,such like 89/78.It is easy to raise ,call or fold.KQ/KJ isn't easy to do that.Thanks for your help.
 
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Just fold KJ. Fold QJ unless others call ahead of you to improve your odds and the QJ is suited. KQ is ok to call with if you can get away from top pair in the face of extreme aggression.
 
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Just fold KJ. Fold QJ unless others call ahead of you to improve your odds and the QJ is suited. KQ is ok to call with if you can get away from top pair in the face of extreme aggression.
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I fold this trouble cards in the early position.and reduce to play when there is someone raise before.Good result I have.
 
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I think it depends on where you are in the tournament. Early in the tournament when the blinds are cheap make the call, and look it the flop and then decide what to do. Late in the tournament when the blinds are big, in relationship to your stack, fold.
 
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I think a lot of depends on position.. in early I might consider folding it.. In Later postions, depends if anyne is in the pot, if someone call or raises I examine what their range might be.. If they are a tight ABC player I fold.
 
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I'm kind of loathe to chime in here, because you are a beginning player and certainly hands like this can get you into trouble now and then.

But basically you should be opening these hands from MP and later any time it folds to you, unless you have very unusual table dynamics going on.

Calling raises is another matter, and a lot depends on your position and the range of the PFR. But QJo is in the top 15% of hands, QTs is a top 10% hand. If you are a beginning player in nitring then folding these hands quite a bit might be right, but you're going to have to incorporate them (and worse) into your range as you improve your postflop game and learn not to autostack top pair as your range is going to have to be more than pocket pairs you set mine with and AK.
 
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Do you have an idea of the range the raiser has? Most times it is correct to just fold these hands, sometimes flatting, and sometimes 3 betting them. All goes by the villains range and post flop tendencies.
 
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RoTs said:
Do you have an idea of the range the raiser has? Most times it is correct to just fold these hands, sometimes flatting, and sometimes 3 betting them. All goes by the villains range and post flop tendencies.
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a regular who I play with,they will raise with AK/AQ ,pair and the cards such as 89s/9Ts........How you do that?
 
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So it depends essentially your position and if someone is already back in the game or not. Although most members of this forum, you will say that they are almost always ...

First, assume that no one has yet returned the blow.
These KQ KJ QJ 3 hands are traitors for beginners, which are two figures and think they have a good hand.
In early position, throws KJ and QJ. KQ plays depending on your opponents, if good players it is better to throw, if the level is low, plays.
Middle position with KQ must be revived with KJ mostly just caller, and throw QJ.
In late position raise with 3 hand to steal the blinds, if you are paid even when you have something to defend yourself.

If someone has already opened the pot raising, these hands are mostly a throw.
If someone has already opened the pot Callant simply, you can play them.


Of course, this is only theory. It does not always play the same way, if your opponent will soon know what you're doing. It also depends on the quality of the table (tight or loose, aggressive or passive)
 
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depends on a lot of things here, what is the opening range of the utg raiser? are the cards suited? is this cash or tournament? if its tournament what stage of the tournament is it in? what are your post flop skills like? personally i wouldn't call with these cards unless villain has a wide opening range, i'd be more likely to call if suited but even then only kqs is particulary strong, there are so many variables here it really depends on the situation
 
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coote said:
So it depends essentially your position and if someone is already back in the game or not. Although most members of this forum, you will say that they are almost always ...

First, assume that no one has yet returned the blow.
These KQ KJ QJ 3 hands are traitors for beginners, which are two figures and think they have a good hand.
In early position, throws KJ and QJ. KQ plays depending on your opponents, if good players it is better to throw, if the level is low, plays.
Middle position with KQ must be revived with KJ mostly just caller, and throw QJ.
In late position raise with 3 hand to steal the blinds, if you are paid even when you have something to defend yourself.

If someone has already opened the pot raising, these hands are mostly a throw.
If someone has already opened the pot Callant simply, you can play them.

Of course, this is only theory. It does not always play the same way, if your opponent will soon know what you're doing. It also depends on the quality of the table (tight or loose, aggressive or passive)
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Very clearly, as a new hand, this method is very useful.It is good to take less financial risk.I think ,for the master hand ,the risk is less compared to the gain.But I am not now.
 
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I would call especially if they are suited, thats just me. But like everyone is saying it depends on a lot of things. Because each hand has different circumstance that you find yourself in.
 
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I (cash, button, 3bb, just as you described) :

-Call KQ , allways.
-Fold QJ. You are rarely getting 3BB by worse hand and the position just doesnt make it up. And this one is a real trapper, if you flop a pair, get outkicked etc....
-KJ.... is tricky one. Sometimes call, sometimes fold, based on table/ stakes/ history/reads. Lets say that one is around, 50 50.
 
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Those 3 hands played from the button to an EP raise of 3BB means you are walking into an already dominated set of cards most likely. I would call in this instance and play the flop tightly trying to put him on his 2 cards without showing youre own hand strength
 
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kworm2013 said:
a regular who I play with,they will raise with AK/AQ ,pair and the cards such as 89s/9Ts........How you do that?
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Well depending on his fold to 3bets from early position, how active you have been and blinds tendencies I may 3bet here. If villain is fit or fold post flop I may call. If neither previous option is available clear fold.

Also I hope it is about cash games being this is cash game forum right?
 
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Most problematic of all,when we meet the pair of KK/QQ/JJ,I will think it may be the best hand,and also doult that is the second best hand.It is painful.
 
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