[KK] Call ou fold ?

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I would like to have the opinion of players more experienced than me on the cash game. Your opinion on this hand?

pokerstars - $ 0.02 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players

BTN: $ 2.14 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3B and Preflop: -, hands: 3)
SB: $ 1.84
BB: $ 2.02 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3B and Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: $ 3.63 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3B and Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG + 1: $ 2.00
MP: $ 1.63
MP + 1: $ 1.81
Hero (MP + 2): $ 2.02
CO: $ 1.32 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Band Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB $ 0.01, BB posts BB $ 0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $ 0.03) Hero has K: club: K: diamond:

fold, fold, MP raises to $ 0.06, fold, Hero raises to $ 0.17, fold, BTN calls $ 0.17, fold, fold, MP calls $ 0.11

Flop: ($ 0.54, 3 players) 9: spade: T: heart: 7: spade:
MP checks, Hero bets $ 0.45, BTN calls $ 0.45, MP raises to $ 1.46 and is all-in, Hero raises to $ 1.85 and is all-in, BTN calls $ 1.40

Turn: ($ 5.70, 3 players) 7: heart:

River: ($ 5.70, 3 players) 8: spade:

Hero shows K: club: K: diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens)

Main Pot [$ 4.92]: (Pre 49%, Flop 15%, Turn 64%)
Side Pot # 1 [$ 0.78]: (Pre 66%, Flop 52%, Turn 73%)

BTN shows A: spade: K: spade: (Flush, Ace High)

Main Pot [$ 4.92]: (Pre 30%, Flop 34%, Turn 26%)
Side Pot # 1 [$ 0.78]: (Pre 34%, Flop 48%, Turn 27%)

MP mucks 9: diamond: T: diamond: (Two Pair, Tens and Nines)

Main Pot [$ 4.92]: (Pre 21%, Flop 51%, Turn 10%)

BTN wins $ 5.50
 
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I would like to have the opinion of players more experienced than me on the cash game. Your opinion on this hand?

PokerStars - $ 0.02 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players

BTN: $ 2.14 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3B and Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
SB: $ 1.84
BB: $ 2.02 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3B and Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: $ 3.63 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3B and Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG + 1: $ 2.00
MP: $ 1.63
MP + 1: $ 1.81
Hero (MP + 2): $ 2.02
CO: $ 1.32 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Band Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB $ 0.01, BB posts BB $ 0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $ 0.03) Hero has K: club: K: diamond:

fold, fold, MP raises to $ 0.06, fold, Hero raises to $ 0.17, fold, BTN calls $ 0.17, fold, fold, MP calls $ 0.11

Flop: ($ 0.54, 3 players) 9: spade: T: heart: 7: spade:
MP checks, Hero bets $ 0.45, BTN calls $ 0.45, MP raises to $ 1.46 and is all-in, Hero raises to $ 1.85 and is all-in, BTN calls $ 1.40

Turn: ($ 5.70, 3 players) 7: heart:

River: ($ 5.70, 3 players) 8: spade:

Hero shows K: club: K: diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens)

Main Pot [$ 4.92]: (Pre 49%, Flop 15%, Turn 64%)
Side Pot # 1 [$ 0.78]: (Pre 66%, Flop 52%, Turn 73%)

BTN shows A: spade: K: spade: (Flush, Ace High)

Main Pot [$ 4.92]: (Pre 30%, Flop 34%, Turn 26%)
Side Pot # 1 [$ 0.78]: (Pre 34%, Flop 48%, Turn 27%)

MP mucks 9: diamond: T: diamond: (Two Pair, Tens and Nines)

Main Pot [$ 4.92]: (Pre 21%, Flop 51%, Turn 10%)

BTN wins $ 5.50


I like the way the hand was played.. You 3 bet and got two callers There was a wet flop.. So you C-bet when you're generally ahead of their range. Draw heavy boards can be tricky. Flush and straight draws make sense so re-shoving makes sense. They just got lucky and hit their draw. I would note that MP called your 3-bet with 9/10ss not because it's a terrible call but just to include in their range moving forwards. Had the flush draw not hit their 8 outs you scoop the pot.
 
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Call. I may have gone all-in post flop instead of the raise. Probably same result tho.
 
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I always fold to go to the bank
 
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I would like to have the opinion of players more experienced than me on the cash game. Your opinion on this hand?

PokerStars - $ 0.02 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players

BTN: $ 2.14 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3B and Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
SB: $ 1.84
BB: $ 2.02 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3B and Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: $ 3.63 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3B and Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG + 1: $ 2.00
MP: $ 1.63
MP + 1: $ 1.81
Hero (MP + 2): $ 2.02
CO: $ 1.32 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Band Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB $ 0.01, BB posts BB $ 0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $ 0.03) Hero has K: club: K: diamond:

fold, fold, MP raises to $ 0.06, fold, Hero raises to $ 0.17, fold, BTN calls $ 0.17, fold, fold, MP calls $ 0.11

Flop: ($ 0.54, 3 players) 9: spade: T: heart: 7: spade:
MP checks, Hero bets $ 0.45, BTN calls $ 0.45, MP raises to $ 1.46 and is all-in, Hero raises to $ 1.85 and is all-in, BTN calls $ 1.40

Turn: ($ 5.70, 3 players) 7: heart:

River: ($ 5.70, 3 players) 8: spade:

Hero shows K: club: K: diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens)

Main Pot [$ 4.92]: (Pre 49%, Flop 15%, Turn 64%)
Side Pot # 1 [$ 0.78]: (Pre 66%, Flop 52%, Turn 73%)

BTN shows A: spade: K: spade: (Flush, Ace High)

Main Pot [$ 4.92]: (Pre 30%, Flop 34%, Turn 26%)
Side Pot # 1 [$ 0.78]: (Pre 34%, Flop 48%, Turn 27%)

MP mucks 9: diamond: T: diamond: (Two Pair, Tens and Nines)

Main Pot [$ 4.92]: (Pre 21%, Flop 51%, Turn 10%)

BTN wins $ 5.50


You have 2 callers for your raise, so your equity in the pot will go down against 2 villains as compared to just 1.

Hero C-bets, this is good.. but then you get called by BTN and then the MP Check-Raise ALL IN over both of you (Which shows extreme strength)

Suddenly this overpair does not seem that strong to me. I would be folding to the check-raise on the flop.

With the wet board you will be against the flush draw sometimes, but villian could also be doing this with sets or two pairs that have you beat, and your chances are already much worse then being heads up.

Your KK is also vunerable to Ace Overcards that fall on the turn or river. So the villian who hit the flush had more then just the 9 flush outs, he also had the ace overcard which gives 3 more outs.

KK is only one pair and can only usually improve by hitting another K which is 2 outs. This is a powerful hand when against one villian... but against 2 villians showing strength and aggression, maybe not so much.
 
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I think you played this correctly. On a board that wet you need to bet aggressively on the flop which you did.

It is a really awkward spot especially against unknown villians. You may have been able to get off it if the player who jammed was behind you and was then smooth called by the player with 2 pair on the flop...if you acted after and saw the action ahead of you, you'd have likely been able to make a profitable fold but on a board that wet against unknown opponents playing a limit that can see some pretty bizzare all-in punts...not a bad spot for you to stack off by any means.
 
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I would like to have the opinion of players more experienced than me on the cash game. Your opinion on this hand?

PokerStars - $ 0.02 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players

BTN: $ 2.14 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3B and Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
SB: $ 1.84
BB: $ 2.02 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3B and Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: $ 3.63 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3B and Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG + 1: $ 2.00
MP: $ 1.63
MP + 1: $ 1.81
Hero (MP + 2): $ 2.02
CO: $ 1.32 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Band Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB $ 0.01, BB posts BB $ 0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $ 0.03) Hero has K: club: K: diamond:

fold, fold, MP raises to $ 0.06, fold, Hero raises to $ 0.17, fold, BTN calls $ 0.17, fold, fold, MP calls $ 0.11

Flop: ($ 0.54, 3 players) 9: spade: T: heart: 7: spade:
MP checks, Hero bets $ 0.45, BTN calls $ 0.45, MP raises to $ 1.46 and is all-in, Hero raises to $ 1.85 and is all-in, BTN calls $ 1.40

Turn: ($ 5.70, 3 players) 7: heart:

River: ($ 5.70, 3 players) 8: spade:

Hero shows K: club: K: diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens)

Main Pot [$ 4.92]: (Pre 49%, Flop 15%, Turn 64%)
Side Pot # 1 [$ 0.78]: (Pre 66%, Flop 52%, Turn 73%)

BTN shows A: spade: K: spade: (Flush, Ace High)

Main Pot [$ 4.92]: (Pre 30%, Flop 34%, Turn 26%)
Side Pot # 1 [$ 0.78]: (Pre 34%, Flop 48%, Turn 27%)

MP mucks 9: diamond: T: diamond: (Two Pair, Tens and Nines)

Main Pot [$ 4.92]: (Pre 21%, Flop 51%, Turn 10%)

BTN wins $ 5.50

when MP goes all in you have to consider they have 2 pair or hit trips, the possibility of a flush draw is also there which make your KK weak. In a cash game I would fold considering btn raised PF and also could be holding a monster.
 
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With those bets before and after flop, against 2, I would suspect one is flush draw.
 
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you have to consider 2 pair or trips, a flush draw is also there, with an all in and large calls, your KK is probably cracked.
 
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you have to consider 2 pair or trips, a flush draw is also there, with an all in and large calls, your KK is probably cracked.
Cracked maybe, but i do not have to enter these thinks into my mind, this a game and lucky contained, regardless of the rules to follow.
I have to stay focused and vigilant, its not the end of the world.
 
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In this time you many thing is efctive
But see how much cheep reisk to win how much cheep
And what history with oppennt
 
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