KFlint cash journal, trying to beat 10NL Zoom

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KFlint

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I posted quite a lot of hand on the subform lately but I think I will post my hands here.

I've been playing more 10NL during the past month (3000 hands) and I can tell that some regs are sneaky and I feel into a couple of traps, but I'll adjust eventually, hope so. I have a bb/100 of 13 so far so I think I have been fairly lucky because I made some serious blunders.

My bankroll is currently 251 on stars and 126 on 888, but I'm rolled for 10NL so I will give it a shot for a while and hope for the best!

Any help to improve my game is appreciated :)

Here are a couple of hands from yesterday that left me wondering, losing session : -6.88$

1) 4-bet sizing, should I bet something like 4,50$ being a bit deeper than 100bb or is the jam ok? Villain is a reg 4 tabling.

No Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10
PokerStars
6 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com: Poker HUD for Mac and Windows

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($37.82)
MP - MP ($4.75)
CO - CO ($32.38)
BTN - BTN ($4.02)
SB - Hero ($13.51)
BB - BB ($16.66)

Preflop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is SB with A:spade: A:heart:
UTG raises to $0.24, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.82, 1 fold, UTG raises to $2.00, Hero raises to $13.51 (all-in), 1 fold, Uncalled bet of $11.51 returned to Hero

Total Pot: $4.10

Hero wins $4.10

2) Do you go with it and jam, calling doesn't seem a good play, I debated jamming or folding. Villain is also a reg. I think the flop check is suspect and thinking about it now, I think I only beat bluffs...

No Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10
PokerStars
6 players


Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($10.00)
MP - Hero ($10.00)
CO - CO ($8.75)
BTN - BTN ($24.22)
SB - SB ($14.68)
BB - BB ($19.43)

Preflop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is MP with T:heart: A:heart:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, CO raises to $0.80, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: 3:club: T:spade: K:heart: ($1.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: A:club: ($1.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.00, CO raises to $4.00, Hero raises to $9.20 (all-in), CO calls $3.95 (all-in), Uncalled bet of $1.25 returned to Hero

River: J:spade: ($17.65, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Total Pot: $17.65
Hero shows T:heart: A:heart: (two pair, Aces and Tens)
CO shows K:club: K:diamond: (three of a kind, Kings)

CO wins $16.86

3) A not so good play in my opinion, the board is awful for AA, I'm thinking, bet 1/2 pot on flop and turn and give up maybe? No info on villain.

No Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10
PokerStars
6 players

Stacks:
UTG - Hero ($10.00)
MP - MP ($20.73)
CO - CO ($10.52)
BTN - BTN ($11.59)
SB - SB ($18.64)
BB - BB ($10.00)

Preflop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is UTG with A:spade: A:diamond:
Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: 9:heart: T:club: J:diamond: ($1.00, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BTN calls $0.70, 1 fold

Turn: 2:spade: ($2.40, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.15, BTN calls $1.15

River: 5:heart: ($4.70, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, BTN calls $1.90

Total Pot: $8.50

4) Not sure if I should value bet this river when the second jacks come? If yes, think I should have jammed here. Thoughts? No info on villain again.

No Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10
PokerStars
6 players

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($40.02)
MP - MP ($5.85)
CO - Hero ($10.05)
BTN - BTN ($12.71)
SB - SB ($11.56)
BB - BB ($10.71)

Preflop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is CO with K:diamond: A:club:
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, 1 fold, BB calls $0.30, MP calls $0.30

Flop: K:heart: A:heart: 6:club: ($1.65, 4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.05, BTN calls $1.05, 2 folds

Turn: J:diamond: ($3.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.39, BTN calls $2.39

River: J:spade: ($8.53, 2 players)
Hero bets $4.08, BTN raises to $8.16, Hero calls $2.13 (all-in), Uncalled bet of $1.95 returned to BTN

Total Pot: $20.95

5) too nitty? I see min raise on turn as very strong but could he have worse trips here, that is the question... Reg playing 4 table but I don't have much meaningful info on anybody yet.

No Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10
PokerStars
6 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com: Poker HUD for Mac and Windows

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($10.34)
MP - MP ($17.14)
CO - Hero ($10.12)
BTN - BTN ($11.57)
SB - SB ($26.70)
BB - BB ($13.17)

Preflop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is CO with K:spade: A:spade:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: K:club: 7:spade: J:diamond: ($0.90, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.57, SB calls $0.57, BB calls $0.57

Turn: K:heart: ($2.61, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, 1 fold, BB raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1.25

River: 4:diamond: ($7.61, 2 players)
BB bets $3.64, 1 fold, Uncalled bet of $3.64 returned to BB

Total Pot: $7.61

BB wins $7.27


Think it's enough for now! :)
 
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I think zoom is weird personally. Half of poker is exploiting leaks. How can you find leaks in one hand. You'd have to be really close to gto to win reliably.
 
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Yeah I'm well aware of it, but I feel like more than 4 regular tables starts to confuse me, I get lost in the hand. Two zoom table allows me to get volume and I feel more focused. I had data on most of my opponents playing 5NL long enough. But playing less exploitatively and closer to GTO is a must indeed.

I will most likely play some regular tables too eventually.
 
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1 3bet bigger - make it 1$ , he's UTG so his range should be tighter and if he 4bets his 4bet will be bigger . shove is fine

2 need his 3bet stats in order to decide whether to fold to the 3bet pre

3 open bigger pre 4bb , your range is strongest so charge them to continue while you are likely to be out of position , i go 3bb MP, CO 2.5 bb btn 2bb/2.5 bb ( depending on blinds stats) so where range is weakest need to win less often to make it profitable.
think 1/2 pot is best on flop and possibly check evaluate turn. if he checks behind then make another 1/2 pot stab on river . flop hits a calling range pretty well and most of his continuing range on flop will have fairly good equity with potentially made straights , two pairs and sets OESDs gutshots etc.

4 AK - bet bigger on flop 1.30 , flush draws and Ax are going to call a bigger bet . 3.30 on turn into 4.25 pot , shove river roughly 5$ into 11$ pot.


5.AK - bet bigger on flop (.70), 2$ on turn and shove over any reraise and if he has JJ 77 gg but he'll likely have KQ KT , and some semi bluffs with AQ, AT 89 9T that will bluff raise the scare card.


to get better feedback though you should really give relevent stats and any reads on opponents otherwise you will only get advice ased on population ranges rather than villain specific ranges.
 
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Thanks Keith, interesting take on those hands. I have to loosen up in some spots like the last one, without reads it does make it difficult indeed. I will try playing only 3 regular tables of 10 tonight, I will have more meaningful info on villains in my next hands.

Last night was fine, I won 11$ mostly with aces and had few good hands otherwise. Got unlucky losing 80bb to a fish with a set against an T8o that rivered the only possible straight on board, oh well...! No tough spots.
 
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Gl man, I was busted yesterday after keeping it about break even 32k hands (lost last 3k hand, two bad sessions) in 10NL zoom. I think 10NL is quite much different than 5NL, I never knew what hitted me when I was beat by funny hands, also I guess it was mentally too though to be break even too long. It's not that hard level I think. Won little and consistent then lost big and fast in couple of hands was my story, never found value lines to compensate call mistakes.
 
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Thanks man, I already noticed some plays that I never encountered at 5NL, regs are better, I can see that. I remember watching a video saying that 10NL Zoom was pretty difficult to beat and that you could find more fish at higher stakes playing regular tables (wealthy recreational players). Not sure if it's really accurate. That's why I'm debating playing less hands on regular tables and observing more. Might pay off more in the long run, I'm not a great exploitative player by any stretch I have to admit.

Good luck to you too, hope you go back on a winning path soon!
 
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Small session today, started playing regular tables and I think I will stick to this, managed to win 4.88$ overall after losing a buy-in right at the start.

I wasn't that happy with this one but the fish forced my hand, I didn't feel great in this spot. Looking at the river it would have been cooler anyway but was there any other way to play it after the flop 3-bet in your opinion? Against 2 limpers I assume they get aggressive with something...

It was the start as I said and only had 3 hands played against MP and first hand against an apparent fish. There is a bug, it says he is BB too, but I think it's because he posted blind to play right away, didn't limp, he was MP.

No Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10
pokerstars
5 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com: Poker HUD for Mac and Windows

Stacks:
CO - CO ($10.00)
BTN - BTN ($4.94)
SB - SB ($10.00)
BB - Hero ($10.00)
BB - BB ($10.00) (The MP that posted blind, edit)

Preflop: ($0.25, 5 players) Hero is BB with 6s 2d
BB checks, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: 6c 6d 4d ($0.35, 3 players - Hero: $9.90, BB: $9.90, BTN: $4.84)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $0.33, Hero calls $0.33, BB raises to $0.70, BTN raises to $2.76, Hero raises to $9.90 (all-in), BB calls $9.20 (all-in), BTN calls $2.08 (all-in)

Turn: 8s ($24.99, 3 players, 3 all-in - Hero: $0.00, BB: $0.00, BTN: $0.00)

River: 2h ($24.99, 3 players, 3 all-in - Hero: $0.00, BB: $0.00, BTN: $0.00)

Total Pot: $24.99
Hero shows 6s 2d (a full house, Sixes full of Deuces)
BB shows 6h 4c (a full house, Sixes full of Fours)
BTN shows 9d 4s (two pair, Sixes and Fours)

BB wins $9.67 from side pot
BB wins $14.20 from main pot
 
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I would say it played itself. Paired boards are unpredictable behaviorally. I have never really understood that.

Oh just a hint, remember to punish fish in regular, I mean punish really hard, zoom should have given you tools for that. That also means widening ranges quite much given right opponent both pre and value.
 
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I posted quite a lot of hand on the subform lately but I think I will post my hands here.

I've been playing more 10NL during the past month (3000 hands) and I can tell that some regs are sneaky and I feel into a couple of traps, but I'll adjust eventually, hope so. I have a bb/100 of 13 so far so I think I have been fairly lucky because I made some serious blunders.

My bankroll is currently 251 on stars and 126 on 888, but I'm rolled for 10NL so I will give it a shot for a while and hope for the best!

Any help to improve my game is appreciated :)

Here are a couple of hands from yesterday that left me wondering, losing session : -6.88$

1) 4-bet sizing, should I bet something like 4,50$ being a bit deeper than 100bb or is the jam ok? Villain is a reg 4 tabling.

No Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10
PokerStars
6 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com: Poker HUD for Mac and Windows

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($37.82)
MP - MP ($4.75)
CO - CO ($32.38)
BTN - BTN ($4.02)
SB - Hero ($13.51)
BB - BB ($16.66)

Preflop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is SB with A<font color='black'>♠</font> A<font color='red'>♥</font>
UTG raises to $0.24, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.82, 1 fold, UTG raises to $2.00, Hero raises to $13.51 (all-in), 1 fold, Uncalled bet of $11.51 returned to Hero

Total Pot: $4.10

Hero wins $4.10

2) Do you go with it and jam, calling doesn't seem a good play, I debated jamming or folding. Villain is also a reg. I think the flop check is suspect and thinking about it now, I think I only beat bluffs...

No Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10
PokerStars
6 players


Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($10.00)
MP - Hero ($10.00)
CO - CO ($8.75)
BTN - BTN ($24.22)
SB - SB ($14.68)
BB - BB ($19.43)

Preflop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is MP with T<font color='red'>♥</font> A<font color='red'>♥</font>
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, CO raises to $0.80, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: 3<font color='black'>♣</font> T<font color='black'>♠</font> K<font color='red'>♥</font> ($1.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: A<font color='black'>♣</font> ($1.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.00, CO raises to $4.00, Hero raises to $9.20 (all-in), CO calls $3.95 (all-in), Uncalled bet of $1.25 returned to Hero

River: J<font color='black'>♠</font> ($17.65, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Total Pot: $17.65
Hero shows T<font color='red'>♥</font> A<font color='red'>♥</font> (two pair, Aces and Tens)
CO shows K<font color='black'>♣</font> K<font color='red'>♦</font> (three of a kind, Kings)

CO wins $16.86

3) A not so good play in my opinion, the board is awful for AA, I'm thinking, bet 1/2 pot on flop and turn and give up maybe? No info on villain.

No Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10
PokerStars
6 players

Stacks:
UTG - Hero ($10.00)
MP - MP ($20.73)
CO - CO ($10.52)
BTN - BTN ($11.59)
SB - SB ($18.64)
BB - BB ($10.00)

Preflop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is UTG with A<font color='black'>♠</font> A<font color='red'>♦</font>
Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: 9<font color='red'>♥</font> T<font color='black'>♣</font> J<font color='red'>♦</font> ($1.00, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BTN calls $0.70, 1 fold

Turn: 2<font color='black'>♠</font> ($2.40, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.15, BTN calls $1.15

River: 5<font color='red'>♥</font> ($4.70, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, BTN calls $1.90

Total Pot: $8.50

4) Not sure if I should value bet this river when the second jacks come? If yes, think I should have jammed here. Thoughts? No info on villain again.

No Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10
PokerStars
6 players

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($40.02)
MP - MP ($5.85)
CO - Hero ($10.05)
BTN - BTN ($12.71)
SB - SB ($11.56)
BB - BB ($10.71)

Preflop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is CO with K<font color='red'>♦</font> A<font color='black'>♣</font>
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, 1 fold, BB calls $0.30, MP calls $0.30

Flop: K<font color='red'>♥</font> A<font color='red'>♥</font> 6<font color='black'>♣</font> ($1.65, 4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.05, BTN calls $1.05, 2 folds

Turn: J<font color='red'>♦</font> ($3.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.39, BTN calls $2.39

River: J<font color='black'>♠</font> ($8.53, 2 players)
Hero bets $4.08, BTN raises to $8.16, Hero calls $2.13 (all-in), Uncalled bet of $1.95 returned to BTN

Total Pot: $20.95

5) too nitty? I see min raise on turn as very strong but could he have worse trips here, that is the question... Reg playing 4 table but I don't have much meaningful info on anybody yet.

No Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10
PokerStars
6 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com: Poker HUD for Mac and Windows

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($10.34)
MP - MP ($17.14)
CO - Hero ($10.12)
BTN - BTN ($11.57)
SB - SB ($26.70)
BB - BB ($13.17)

Preflop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is CO with K<font color='black'>♠</font> A<font color='black'>♠</font>
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: K<font color='black'>♣</font> 7<font color='black'>♠</font> J<font color='red'>♦</font> ($0.90, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.57, SB calls $0.57, BB calls $0.57

Turn: K<font color='red'>♥</font> ($2.61, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, 1 fold, BB raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1.25

River: 4<font color='red'>♦</font> ($7.61, 2 players)
BB bets $3.64, 1 fold, Uncalled bet of $3.64 returned to BB

Total Pot: $7.61

BB wins $7.27


Think it's enough for now! :)

1st hand

When you 5-bet overjam 13$ into 3$-4$ pot you give any villain licence to exploitatively fold everything but KK and AA even KK if the player is on the tighter side.
Its important to realize in preflop situations when holding AA that you block AJs+ significantly which is a major portion of villians utg range leaving him what are probably weaker (88-99) to strong PP's (10s-AA). Also important to note is that you block aces from flopping on the board and scaring these hands away from betting.

When he 4-bets to 1/5 his stack pre there is a good chance hes willing to put more in on favorable flops and stack off with 10s+ all of which you have crushed.

Personally I think with implied odds and likelyhood of betting the + ev play is to call and evaluate flop while trying to rep the AK hero call down.

2nd Hand

With your all in bet you are only getting value from two hands, one that you block KT and AQ, so i think it's way to loose of a jam, you expect to see QJs a lot there too. I think you're right to assume your hand was a bluff catcher

3rd hand

Perhaps you could have x/called the river but against an opponent only calling two streets is seems like top pair or QX what are you gonna sometimes you know? It does seem a little too wet for a triple barrel though.
 
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