Just ask a question of one hand, about thought process

Hello

I just played one hand on NL10
the hands are like this









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I just seated at the table for about 11 hands
and this player looks like very loose
his VP with 11 hands have something like 60%

I also saw that, he call about 0.8 USD raise
therefore I think if he could call 0.8 USD raise, he would not fold 1bux raise.

Flop, I think my over pair is very good
since he just check flop ip
unless he got set and small made flush - and try to check trap that. my over pair crushed most of his range.
and on this stack size, I think if I bet, I would all in whatever comes, so I go all in.

But to my surprise he called 44...

My question is
anyone have an idea abou the thought process of that flop caller why he call preflop such big raise
and not folding flop jam?

holding 44 at this situation, it is very clear he is underdog now. Why he calls again on flop?

thank you for any comment.

Its just the usual fish, to get into their thought process is an exercise in futility. But I guess your shove somewhat indicates that you don't have a diamond and want the hand to end? So he takes his chance?

However I must remind you that he isn't as much of an underdog as you might think and given your stack it isn't actually a terrible call. What I am trying to say is that if the villain knows what you have then an argument could be made for calling there. He has 11 outs to beat you on 2 streets.

And yes its a bad call pre flop from the villain because he is OOP and you don't have a deep stack.

Mmmm, you've never done this while drunk or on massive tilt? How about the end of the night and you don't care? What about if you dropped down from higher stakes and you really don't care about the money involved?

The fact he calls the flop with that diamond draw shows he is pure gambling and is not a member of this forum

The fact is after 30 or so hands watching this person, you will come to expect this type of thing.

Why do they do it? Doing it once or twice for yourself is the only way to understand I suppose. Just be happy they are there.

You played the hand out great. They either have a flush or a flush draw and this range tends to weighted towards draws. The fact that they have a flush draw with no chance of winning with an over pair even makes them a bigger fish to me. I just assume they thought “I have a pair and a flush draw GET THEM CHIPS IN! PRESS ALL IN!

zEric7x said:

You played the hand out great. They either have a flush or a flush draw and this range tends to weighted towards draws. The fact that they have a flush draw with no chance of winning with an over pair even makes them a bigger fish to me. I just assume they thought “I have a pair and a flush draw GET THEM CHIPS IN! PRESS ALL IN!

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I think the problem is that
baby flush outs should not count as true outs
like even his pair may hit flush.
when the forth flush cards comes on board, I may potentially make the better flush like Q flush, or J flush.

My range could representing top pair at least great kicker, set, and even TPand nutflush draw and overpair
his range is totally getting his weak pair crushed unless he got baby flush and set.
I am so curious what that player think about that call preflop with pair, flop ...use this holdings to call.

or maybe he just want to be a HERO....see my showdown?
just want to know anyone play live see these calling before and asked why or what the caller really thinks.

Why would you want to ask a bad player why they did something? Just let them be bad players and enjoy the money.

Only time I give advise to anyone is when they specifically ask me and that's only in live poker, I am not talking strategy in the chat box ever.

It's much more important to realize how bad players play than why

Arjonius said:

It's much more important to realize how bad players play than why

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If you know why, in that case you will know if that weaker player will make this mistake again and again.
therefore always better to know why +how than just just only know how to play against that weaker player.

PS: I definitely want that weaker player makes this kind of big mistake all the time, when sitting on the same table with me.

XXPXXP said:

PS: I definitely want that weaker player makes this kind of big mistake all the time, when sitting on the same table with me.

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I agree. I see people do plays like this often. They see they have one to a flush so they go all in. It just stings when they hit. I know I shouldn’t let it bother me too much but it does cause some frustration.

I think that it was a moment decision from him. He thought it was his lucky hand. Hard to know exactly what was in his head

XXPXXP said:

If you know why, in that case you will know if that weaker player will make this mistake again and again.

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If you know how he plays, then you know the same thing because you've seen it multiple times.

therefore always better to know why +how than just just only know how to play against that weaker player.

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I didn't say otherwise, just that the how is much more important.

PS: I definitely want that weaker player makes this kind of big mistake all the time, when sitting on the same table with me.

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If you know he will make this mistake over and over, how much does knowing why improve your ability to play against him?

XXPXXP said:

I think the problem is that
baby flush outs should not count as true outs

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Yes, but... the fact that an out isn't clean doesn't necessarily make it worthless. This is where the concept of partial or discounted outs comes in.

In this situation, OP has at least one diamond around 40% of the time. So, ignoring possible redraws, the 9 flush outs are good about 60% of the time, making them roughly equivalent to 5 1/2 clean outs. We should discount this somewhat due to the redraws, but that still leaves us with the equivalent of around 4 to 4.5 clean flush outs.