JB the kid grinds 5NL zone

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So guys I recently final tabled a tourney on bovada and have 120 dollars there. I'm tired of crappy BRM and I finally have decided it's not a winning formula. I'm not depositing ever.... This is it for me. At the end of this challenge I am either going to be withdrawing on a regular basis and killing it, or I will be sidelined until my eighteenth birthday which is 2.5 years away (yuk).

So the stakes (while small to adults) are important to me at this point because well.... I enjoy playing poker with people who know a bit about the game.... And if I need to go back to zynga for one more hand.... By the end of that experience I will probably have committed myself to a mental institution lol.

24BI should be fine. I will shot take 10NL zone (doesn't always run) at 200-250 roll. Will update progress after each session. Got 3.5 weeks of summer left where I will probably get 15-20 hours a week in. Then once school starts I will still hopefully be able to get 10-15 hours in per week (obv school comes before poker). Will post any trouble spots I have (tho these don't happen often because zone is a nit fest and people don't have air often) to this thread. Cheers all! :)

Played a session this morning and lost 3BI to suckouts. If I recall it was 93/7, 81/19, 73/27. In spite of these 3 losses... still broke even anyway :)
 
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in and good luck, seems that ft gave you a nice br for decent brm on the cash tables so I'm sure if you keep diciplined with it you should do well.
 
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in and good luck, seems that ft gave you a nice br for decent brm on the cash tables so I'm sure if you keep diciplined with it you should do well.


bluff would you happen to know of a good hand history converter for bovada?
 
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Bleh.... -2BI session. This ones on me.

Thoughts on this spot?

HERO: button
Villain: UTG
Blinds: 2c/5c
effective stack size: 5 dollars
Hero's hand: 8s8d

UTG opens to 15c, fold, call (CO), hero calls OTB. Blinds fold

Pot: 52c
Flop: 85K rainbow with a club

UTG checks, CO checks, hero bets 30c, UTG calls, CO folds.

Pot: 1.12

Turn: 10c

UTG checks, hero value bets 70c, UTG calls.

pot: 2.52

River 2c

Villain open jams 3.75 dollars, hero?
 
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Bleh.... -2BI session. This ones on me.

Thoughts on this spot?

HERO: button
Villain: UTG
Blinds: 2c/5c
effective stack size: 5 dollars
Hero's hand: 8s8d

UTG opens to 15c, fold, call (CO), hero calls OTB. Blinds fold

Pot: 52c
Flop: 85K rainbow with a club

UTG checks, CO checks, hero bets 30c, UTG calls, CO folds.

Pot: 1.12

Turn: 10c

UTG checks, hero value bets 70c, UTG calls.

pot: 2.52

River 2c

Villain open jams 3.75 dollars, hero?
In terms of my personal analysis.... When villain opens UTG to 3x his range is essentially 22-AA/A10o+/JK+ (just what I have noticed for typical 5NL range thus far.

So I essentially set mine from my button after the CO call because when I hit, my implied odds are pretty good because it's not too hard to get decent value 3 way to this flop, that on top of the fact I'm IP added extra incentive to flat.

So the flop comes K85 rainbow with the K of clubs. Now obviously that's a really awesome flop for 88... It can hit my opponents range with the K and possibly score me 2-3 streets of value. Based on opponents evaluated ranges there aren't many draws they can have. Villains will almost never have 67 or any straight draw at this point. Both villains check to me, and I contemplate a check back... To disguise my strength.... However because of the K on flop I determine it's likely one of my villains holds something like KJ/KQ/AK. With that being said only the UTG villain will usually have AK because CO would have 3 bet pre if he held it usually. So thinking I'm going to get at least one call.... I bet out 30c which is sized decently IMO... It's about 3/5 pot. Sure enough UTG calls, and CO folds. We currently feel great.

Now on the turn we get the 10 of clubs.... Now there are two clubs, but obv we are looking to get value out of flush draws because the majority of the time they are going to miss river. So when UTG checks to me.... I not only size my bet to get called by Kx... But I'm also sizing to get calls from any flush draws in villains range. He doesn't have many though, I'm giving him AQcc/AJcc both of which would have needed to x/c float the flop. Floats aren't all that common from what I have seen, the majority of players are just x/f'ing flops they miss. So villain checks to me and I value bet 70c which is also decently sized I think... Could maybe go a bit bigger and lean towards pot... But for the most part this targets villains Kx range portion.Villain calls again. At this point it looks to me like his range is heavily weighted towards KJ/KQ/KA. Then he also will call if he floated flop then picked up draws to the nut flush. I'm really not viewing that as all that likely, because it would have required villain to have floated flop with total air and it's plausible... But not that likely for most 5NL zone players. Then the river is the third club.... Our villain open shoves 3.5 dollars.... Ugh.... Villain must know he will only be getting calls from the very top of my range... Which is what I happen to have. But the question I was asking myself is "why would villain do this with the nuts?" Villain should size to get calls from the bulk of my range which is big kings and two pairs.... But the only hands that will call this are sets and flushes usually.... I don't have flushes within my range really... I have very few. So if villain holds a flush, the only hand that I have in my range that will call is for the most part... Flopped sets. However I don't have KK in my range because I flatted my button.... Therefore he targets 55/88/1010 when he has it. If he wanted value from me, why not size so he gets calls more often? I suppose villain also can plausibly hold 1010 as played, however I would assume he would x/r the turn when he hits or lead out... Not x/c because he loses value. Plus when he gets more money in the pot it makes it easier for him to GII on river and get called by worse. So his range is weighted against 1010 IMO.

So throughout this hand his range has had very few flush draws in it.... But can we really give credit on river? Can villain do this with KJ/KQ/AK and turn his hand into a bluff (a lot of them are pretty bad and I have seen that fairly often in my experience at zone)? I'm just having a pretty hard time giving him credit for having floated the flop with air... Just because it's uncommon. Usually that's done at 5Nl Zone with hands like A8/A5, so hands like bottom or middle pair, and then villains will fold to a turn bet if they don't improve. Though floats in a pure form have been rare.
 
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I like the flop bet, I personally bet the turn bigger since the villain must have something if he called flop and the river.... wtf is he repping? I really don't think a runner runner flush jams here and the only hand I can see villain having here is KK that he slow played to the river but even then wouldn't he raise the turn? I really doubt two pair does this either and I feel like you are kind of bluff catching here so as much as I hate folding sets I think you need to in this spot. I basically think villain has KK or 1010 here. I really don't see anyone bluffing the river in this spot.
 
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I like the flop bet, I personally bet the turn bigger since the villain must have something if he called flop and the river.... wtf is he repping? I really don't think a runner runner flush jams here and the only hand I can see villain having here is KK that he slow played to the river but even then wouldn't he raise the turn? I really doubt two pair does this either and I feel like you are kind of bluff catching here so as much as I hate folding sets I think you need to in this spot. I basically think villain has KK or 1010 here. I really don't see anyone bluffing the river in this spot.


I think KK always raises turn, and 1010 gets extremely discounted when he doesn't raise turn when he hits his set. In game I was deciding between flush or 1/2 pair hands.... If he has KK Or 1010 then nh gg.... But I really don't think he ever shows up with that here solely because he didn't raise the turn. So I guess my question is.... Is the flush less likely than air and 1/2 two pair hands?
 
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Pretty irritating session.... -2 more BI. Roll at 100 dollars. Just sucky stuff happening....

33 opens button pre to 15c... BB calls. Flop 368... Villain checks, hero bets 25c, villain calls. Turn 9... Villain bets 5c (lol) hero makes it 50c, villain calls. River 7, villain open jams and I snap fold. Crappy runouts are killing me. It's going to turn around these people are so so bad. Think I'm going to nit up a bit though and see how that goes.
 
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I think KK always raises turn, and 1010 gets extremely discounted when he doesn't raise turn when he hits his set. In game I was deciding between flush or 1/2 pair hands.... If he has KK Or 1010 then nh gg.... But I really don't think he ever shows up with that here solely because he didn't raise the turn. So I guess my question is.... Is the flush less likely than air and 1/2 two pair hands?

I don't think it is true at all that unknown villains in zone always raise the turn with a set. As a matter of fact I can see a passive fish flopping a monster like top set and playing it exactly this way(horribly) Who really knows though and this is why I never really liked Zone on Bovada. Maybe he has Ax of clubs, you never know but I still think river is a fold against an unknown that you can't even take a note of.
 
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Lolol guys I'm literally getting murdered by my sets. Just lost another 2BI s to fish who sucked out. Down 6BI to start this challenge.... Not good. Gotta turn it around :)
 
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In. > Much different than hypers i see! Will follow along
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I'm cash-ignorant, but I just wanted to wish you #youngsirrungood on your challenge. I know that you have the skillset to accomplish anything that you set your mind to.

Rooting for your success!
 
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I'm cash-ignorant, but I just wanted to wish you #youngsirrungood on your challenge. I know that you have the skillset to accomplish anything that you set your mind to.



Rooting for your success!


Thank you sir paws.... Means a lot :)
 
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In. Good luck.

Did you go to Ace Poker Solutions and get that hand converter?
 
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In. Good luck.

Did you go to Ace Poker Solutions and get that hand converter?


I did not... I'm currently contemplating switching this challenge to 5.5 six Max DON turbos, because tbh I find cash to be not nearly as fun ran 20 dollars up to 120 on carbon in past two days and am not sure of what I wanna be doing. Will update when I get my sh1t together
 
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I didn't know $5.50 6-max DoN existed. Is that on Bovada? You can always jump on Carbon's $1.10 HU SnG Turbo table(s) and give me a run. I'm gonna try to stay undefeated at 1.10 forever. Lol
 
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I would sit you for sure :) and yes it's bovada. PM me and we can work out a time if you wanna do it.
 
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It's TKmonkey JB!

So, I finally had time to find your postings again and get connected. I guess I have to post a min to be able to do much on here.... So, I will start working on that. Later JB! TKmonkey/Tony
 
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So, I finally had time to find your postings again and get connected. I guess I have to post a min to be able to do much on here.... So, I will start working on that. Later JB! TKmonkey/Tony


Hey. Yeah, so if ur interested in getting more involved in hypers then I can help you out for sure. Once u get 15 posts you can PM me, and we can maybe work out time for a sweat session through Skype if you want.


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TKmonkey....Nothing but pure monkey bizzness going on...

Will do for sure! I see trentla is here too! Hi trent!! I don't post much, as I have my own, owned poker forum sites I have to attempt to read daily, or I get endless emails form my admins, and they email me and call me without any regards to the time of the day it may be...Yes, at 3:09am, and at 7:11 am and..... 1 month ago I was in the darn hospital for 5 days, they even found me their and bothered me! Ha Ha. Take care JB.... I will work on my posts for here.
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I wanna have one of my hands studied so bad. Took place about 15 minutes ago. Dominated HT 6M $5 room. Every hand I chose to play, was successful. Rare for me.
 
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I wanna have one of my hands studied so bad. Took place about 15 minutes ago. Dominated HT 6M $5 room. Every hand I chose to play, was successful. Rare for me.


Feel free to post it :)


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