Originally Posted by quick
Is it ever generally correct to jam your own flush draws in a cash game full ring? For example I'm seeing players with Ax and sometimes any two suited shoving on a 3 to the flush board regardless of what's out there. I'll be holding something like a flopped straight, a set, or 2P and they happily shove all in with air hoping to catch a flush.
This is a trend I've noticed more in online poker than live (specifically in the micros as I work on my various BR challenges) in the past few months.
But to me it doesn't seem to be a long term winning move since we can expect to hit our flush roughly 1 out of 3 times. I can see perhaps when short it being worth it or when facing a larger pot with more than 2 other players in the hand, but against a single opponent it seems like a losing play.
When you have Axsuited hearts hand and the flop goes 2d8h7h
When you bet and he overshoves.... think about whats calling him.
Worst case scenario a straight and a set. He's flipping against overpairs and top pairs.
And people who make mistakes by chasing flushes with lower flush draws which have reverse implied odds
Also 9T will come along for the ride. and 2paired hands...
lets say you all have $10.... between 9 players 10NL
UTG raises 30c ... Hijack and CO call and you follow on the button and ofc SB and BB joins the part. No one squeezes for this example, we could easily but this time nope.
flop goes 2d8h7h
POT roughly $1.50
UTG raises to $1. Hijack calls CO calls...
Now if we raise to say $2.50 or $3.... and we miss our draw on the turn... what now??? We get in a sticky situation especially when UTG bets into us again now or shoves on turn.... We feel sick.
Our flush draw only gets its full equity from seeing the turn and river, if we get denied the river then we have made a very terrible play and wasted money
So sometimes to avoid they will shove on flop with these draws. It's all situational and through experience and messing around you can find out what works best for you.
This is just a very rough example.
So in summary,
You like to give yourself the best opportunity to see turn/river
And realise that flop play or shoving is often high variance line. So expect a lot of ups and downs.