It's okay to be a limper at some tables.

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Have you played in a 6 max table where 3 out of 5 opponents are calling stations and they all happen to be sitting on your left? They have 60/5 stats and one of them even has a ridiculous 80/0 game? Should you follow the standard 3x open raise game on those tables? I don't think so.

When I make an open raise there is always a chance that everyone will fold and I'll get the blinds. However when you pretty much lose that fold equity it really changes the whole idea behind the open raise. Why should I make an open raise with 55 when I know players IP are going to call me with anything? I should just limp and hope to make a set.

And this is the great thing about these players, they will pay you off when you make your hand. They will re-raise you with just top pair and it won't be difficult making a big pot with them without PFR.

Another great thing about these players is that even when you do make a PFR they won't give you much credit and will give you action anyways. I know I have been there and done that.

If you continue playing the standard game making PFR with small pairs and suited connectors and continue to miss your hands you are gonna be dumping lots of chips.

I hear people say that you get into trouble with limped pots but I haven't found that to be the case. You just gotta adjust your game with the number of people that got to see the flop. Of course if you limp with AA that can spell disaster but I am not suggesting to do that.

The only downside to this is that the other reg playing on the table will realize what you are doing but we are not looking for his money anyways. This might adversely affect our VP/PFR stat but I honestly think these things don't nearly matter as much at the micros as we like to think.
 
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Or you could take the speculative hands such as small pocket pairs and suited connectors out of your range and wait for premium hands and isolate the calling stations. If too many of them are calling when you try that try opening to 4-5bb's and see how that works.
 
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I would much rather raise a 55 against a 60/5 or a 80/0. Their range is MUCH weaker than a 55 is. So I get to raise for value preflop.

That means I can cbet most flops and should still be ahead, since they should miss 70% of the time and they have weak crappy cards.

You then re-evaluate on the turn and again on the river, don't get your stack in with 55 unless you improve, but certainly you can value bet these guys all day.

That is not the kind of situation I think limping makes any sense in.

There is less reason to limp against these kinds of players than there is against other kinds of players, especially at 6max.
 
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Table dynamics should dictate how you adjust your play ,if limping against such players gets you max value when you hit then by all means do it.....scorp
 
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Or you could take the speculative hands such as small pocket pairs and suited connectors out of your range and wait for premium hands and isolate the calling stations. If too many of them are calling when you try that try opening to 4-5bb's and see how that works.
I don't think that can be profitable in 6-max since you will be losing a ton of blinds before you get a hand to play. Plus that strategy requires an unreasonable amount of patience.

If I feel I am a better post flop player than most of the table then I don't think limping is a bad play.
 
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I would much rather raise a 55 against a 60/5 or a 80/0. Their range is MUCH weaker than a 55 is. So I get to raise for value preflop.

That means I can cbet most flops and should still be ahead, since they should miss 70% of the time and they have weak crappy cards.

You then re-evaluate on the turn and again on the river, don't get your stack in with 55 unless you improve, but certainly you can value bet these guys all day.

That is not the kind of situation I think limping makes any sense in.

There is less reason to limp against these kinds of players than there is against other kinds of players, especially at 6max.
But the problem with the 80/0 guy is that he could have KK and he would limp, its impossible to put him on any sort of range.

Maybe what you are saying is even more profitable way to play these guys but I am sure the variance is much higher. I know higher variance shouldn't make someone scared but it does bring in tilt which is an important factor to consider.
 
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Play a stronger range and raise much bigger. Ez money.
 
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Ya next time I am gonna try to switch to a 4x PFR instead of 3x and see if it changes anything. I didn't quite think about that hehe.
 
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Table dynamics should dictate how you adjust your play ,if limping against such players gets you max value when you hit then by all means do it.....scorp
Exactly my thoughts. If most of them are calling stations and you can stack them with their marginal hands, by all means do it. If you find that limping works there, go for it.
 
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The great thing about calling stations... It's not your AA or AK hands etc the hands that go up in value are your suited connectors and your lower pocket pairs.

Everyones in the hands which lowers the value of prem and ur Ak hands but your 87s and lower pockets will now be a great asset.

So now you get a lot more hands paid off not just your Prems but ofc you have to be a lot more careful with your AK and prem pocket hands but still push push push :)... These guys ignore your actual range and just go by their own cards or wait for any type of weakness in position. Hell when you have a made hand on the turn show them weakness and you've pretty much got their money on the river.
 
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