Is it possible to beat 2/4 Limit Holdem?

I've seen so many posts over the years stating that its impossible to beat $2/$4 Limit holdem. In the next month I'm going to attempt to put at least 25-30 hours a week playing and chart my sessions. Even though it might be minimal I think its possible to beat the game and come out ahead.

Syracuseeee said:

I've seen so many posts over the years stating that its impossible to beat $2/$4 Limit holdem. In the next month I'm going to attempt to put at least 25-30 hours a week playing and chart my sessions. Even though it might be minimal I think its possible to beat the game and come out ahead.

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Weird, I beat 2/4 for a long time. It's presumably much better now though, and I'm a few years out from plyaing that high.

I have been sniping a few tables of 3/6 here and there though, so I'm sure the at least the same is possible at 2/4.

Emperor IX said:

Weird, I beat 2/4 for a long time. It's presumably much better now though, and I'm a few years out from plyaing that high.

I have been sniping a few tables of 3/6 here and there though, so I'm sure the at least the same is possible at 2/4.

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I started out playing 2/4, then 3/6, then 5/10, then 10/20, then 20/40, then some 30/60 and 40/80. I wouldn't have moved up if I didn't win at every level.

To win at limit you just need to be very disciplined and very able to adjust to differing table conditions. If you can do those two things and fold when you miss and don't have odds to draw, you can win at limit. It's not hard. It's just boring. Like watching paint dry boring.

Good luck

-HooDooKoo

Why are you asking if you can beat 2/4 when you win at 40/80?

he didn ask the question, syracuseee did, the one who started the post at the top. if you look at the post labled #1....

IM deusXmachina said:

he didn ask the question, syracuseee did, the one who started the post at the top. if you look at the post labled #1....

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OK technically I'm wrong, I was more referring to HooDoo whose post reeked of so much B.S.

Randall McMurphy said:

OK technically I'm wrong, I was more referring to HooDoo whose post reeked of so much B.S.

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You can choose to believe whatever you'd like, Randall. It makes no difference to me. But I was among the highest raking players at pacific poker from 2003 through 2006, playing exclusively limit. I was winning so much that they eventually excluded me from the bonus program, citing the fact that it was an incentive program designed to keep break-even players around.

Good luck to you. And if you ever want to give your money away, come play me in a heads-up NL tourney at Lock (or intertops). I've become a HU specialist.

Be well.

-HooDooKoo

2/4 used to be the lowest stakes offered for fixed limit Holdem in the casinos. Live players learned to play at this level. They now have 1/2 and most of the games are soft, so you can control a table if you are an aggressive bettor. This game takes longer to build a bankroll but it takes just as much skill as NL in my opinion. Most of the games online now attract NL players who have less than a hundred dollars on the table. So, for American players, you are better off finding a live game if you want to make money on fixed limit

jazzaxe said:

2/4 used to be the lowest stakes offered for fixed limit Holdem in the casinos. Live players learned to play at this level. They now have 1/2 and most of the games are soft, so you can control a table if you are an aggressive bettor. This game takes longer to build a bankroll but it takes just as much skill as NL in my opinion. Most of the games online now attract NL players who have less than a hundred dollars on the table. So, for American players, you are better off finding a live game if you want to make money on fixed limit

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Really? I've never seen lower than 3/6, and even that usually has a kill.

The Potawatami Casino in Milwaukee has a low fixed limit of $2/4. I saw the bit about $1/2 in a card player article and have not seen that game anywhere in the Midwest. Not a lot of fixed limit tables like before though, at any level.

HooDooKoo said:

You can choose to believe whatever you'd like, Randall. It makes no difference to me. But I was among the highest raking players at Pacific Poker from 2003 through 2006, playing exclusively limit. I was winning so much that they eventually excluded me from the bonus program, citing the fact that it was an incentive program designed to keep break-even players around.

Good luck to you. And if you ever want to give your money away, come play me in a heads-up NL tourney at Lock (or Intertops). I've become a HU specialist.

Be well.

-HooDooKoo

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2003-2006, that explains it. Play that way at Stars today and I doubt that's profitable.

I was in a bad mood when I posted, sorry.

I used to play a lot of 2/4 and 3/6 when I started out several years ago. I was a winning player, but at 2/4 most pots get the max 10% rake which caps at $5 or $6. So you need a pot of more than $50 or $60 just to reduce the rake percentage. This takes a bid chunk out of profit. Even at 3/6 a lot of pots don't get capped rake.

5/10 L is the lowest limit game in a casino I will play because of rake. Although, I almost never play it because it is actually a bigger game that 1/2 no-limit and is more like 2/5 NLHE

2/4 and 3/6 are good places to learn and get a feel even though the play is usually really bad. There is nothing wrong with it, a lot of pros started at those limits.

I've played $3/$6 as a break even player (I'm more of a NL player), but I do know that as the stakes get lower in limit games, the rake becomes more of a factor, and profitability requires a higher level of skill (because of the rake).

One "hidden" benefit of limit games is that they actually help improve discipline and position play for no limit games. Neither game is superior by any means, and it is quite beneficial to experience both.

Randall McMurphy said:

2003-2006, that explains it. Play that way at Stars today and I doubt that's profitable.

I was in a bad mood when I posted, sorry.

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I appreciate the apology, but no need. I'm pretty sure I could still beat a 30/60 or 40/80 game for one BB per hour, but I'm a U.S. player so Stars isn't an option for me and I don't live near enough a casino to play live. So I'm stuck playing HU NL online.

Good luck.


-HooDooKoo

There is a 2/4 at the Borgata and Harrahs in AC. I have played it before, but now I am strictly Limit in Omaha.

So u are talking about giving a trial session...
The true credit of beating the game cant be achieved with one or two sessions....truely speaking ur over all result for one or two years of play might show a promising result of how far u succeeded in beating the game...

Are you talking about live 2/4 or online? I was told by alot of people it was mathematically impossible to do so live because of the rake.

Randall McMurphy said:

Why are you asking if you can beat 2/4 when you win at 40/80?

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bc rake, bad beat jackpots and tipping ( im assuming this is live poker 2/4 right?) is higher

even online once you hit capped raked games it becomes better the problem is as you get higher generally the skill edge should decrease at least a little assuming you will be playing slightly more competent players which makes the fact that rake is smaller % wise a lot more important assuming you only were working off a 1ish BB/100 win rate

HooDooKoo said:

I appreciate the apology, but no need. I'm pretty sure I could still beat a 30/60 or 40/80 game for one BB per hour, but I'm a U.S. player so Stars isn't an option for me and I don't live near enough a casino to play live. So I'm stuck playing HU NL online.

Good luck.


-HooDooKoo

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rake can be really high in these sadly which sucks, if i were you i would look at the effective rake schedule for the site your on

and personally i would rather play HU NL any day compared to limit lol those games seem to be so dead now a days

I used to play 2/4 limit and I sat in on a few games recently. I agree with what is being stated above. The players online have gotten a lot better (live poker is much easier to beat) and rake will kill your profits. However, it is possible, just a big grind.