Increasing Stack Size with Position in Ring

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Is it possible to add to your stack as your position improves? I think this would only apply to when you first sit down.

Say you buy in short in the BB and then as you move around the table, you gradually add more chips. Do online poker rooms allow that?

It seems like you want more money on the table as your position improves.
 
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yes you could buyin short and add up to the max. but it wont let you take money off the table. so buyin short in BB then max OTB. but if you play better than you opponants you should want max possible chips at all times. just be tighter OOP. you wouldnt need to buyin for less if you can just fold more. and have the chips for when you got the goods.
 
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but if you play better than you opponants you should want max possible chips at all times.

Except in the blinds. We've seen that shortstackers can exploit larger stacks by using position pre-flop.
 
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What if you get dealt a premium hand before you max your stack? Would you be happy you were shortstacked?

cardplayer's right, if you think you're better postflop than your opponents, this isn't a good strategy. If you're worried about risking a max stack oop, you can always fold oop if the board/villain/situation gets too hairy, so you're not risking your entire stack. If you're looking to exploit the short stack size against a 100+BB stack, you're going to need to keep it at 20BB all the way until you have position (i.e., don't add gradually, the power to exploit stack size decreases when you're not willing to shove pf or on the flop - good shortstackers leave the table as soon as they double up because of this).

As much as I despise shortstacking, I'd suggest either shortstacking or maxing, mixing these strategies is a mistake imo, they are fundamentally different strategies.
 
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Tommy Angelo talks about this in Elements of Poker (if you don't have it, buy it). His reference is to live poker where he says that he'll sometimes wait to reload until his button if he loses a big pot (but still has chips). He says that he does this for 2 reasons and the 1st is the reason you mentioned (positional). The 2nd is that it gives him time to forget the loss of all his chips without having to think about playing deep stack poker.
 
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Except in the blinds. We've seen that shortstackers can exploit larger stacks by using position pre-flop.


i'm not up on SS but would think a SS would be able to expliot another SS in the blinds easier.
 
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What if you get dealt a premium hand before you max your stack? Would you be happy you were shortstacked?

cardplayer's right, if you think you're better postflop than your opponents, this isn't a good strategy. If you're worried about risking a max stack oop, you can always fold oop if the board/villain/situation gets too hairy, so you're not risking your entire stack. If you're looking to exploit the short stack size against a 100+BB stack, you're going to need to keep it at 20BB all the way until you have position (i.e., don't add gradually, the power to exploit stack size decreases when you're not willing to shove pf or on the flop - good shortstackers leave the table as soon as they double up because of this).

As much as I despise shortstacking, I'd suggest either shortstacking or maxing, mixing these strategies is a mistake imo, they are fundamentally different strategies.

Yeah, I guess it makes more sense to have a full stack in early position through the button, but when you are the big blind (and the small blind to a lesser extent) you already have position (pre-flop), so that's why you can exploit the big stacks then with the short stack. Looking at short stackers on PTR, I see that they make most of their money from the blinds and drive the deep stacks crazy with their re-raising of late-position steal attempts.

Tommy Angelo talks about this in Elements of Poker (if you don't have it, buy it). His reference is to live poker where he says that he'll sometimes wait to reload until his button if he loses a big pot (but still has chips). He says that he does this for 2 reasons and the 1st is the reason you mentioned (positional). The 2nd is that it gives him time to forget the loss of all his chips without having to think about playing deep stack poker.

Thanks for the recommendation -- I think I'll get that one next. Right now I'm working on Professional No-Limit Hold 'Em by Flynn, Mehta, and Miller. Tough book with all the new stuff about SPR and planning for commitment, etc.

i'm not up on SS but would think a SS would be able to expliot another SS in the blinds easier.

I'm not sure -- I heard that SSers want to avoid other SSers, so I don't know if that goes for the blinds. I have seen that they can exploit the deep stacks from the blinds, hence my idea of buying short in the blinds and then adding chips after that. (Anything to get an edge, right! Don't hate me. We are supposed to try to exploit our opponents).
 
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Thanks for the recommendation -- I think I'll get that one next. Right now I'm working on Professional No-Limit Hold 'Em by Flynn, Mehta, and Miller. Tough book with all the new stuff about SPR and planning for commitment, etc.

PNL is a really great book. Just wanted to comment that Elements is a completely different type of book.

It's not really a poker strategy book. It's mostly focused on live play. A lot of the book talks about the limit poker. Yet, it's still a book I've gone back to 6 or 7 times as a online, NL player.

Here is an except on Seat Selection:
Make your seat selection decisions as if the object of the game is to be last to act on as many streets as possible.

You can read more at: http://tommyangelo.com/table_of_contents.html
 
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well at fulltilt is really easy.....all u gotta do is click add money before the current hand ends and it will be added for the next hand
 
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