In Limit poker should I fold big hands?

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I play a lot of limit poker I consider myself very astute in the mechanics of the game my question however is should I fold traditional big hands on flops where I know I have the best hands but the flip is just not worth value betting calling stations?

For instance I have aq off in the cutoff with 4 players and im in position. I'm playing with the typical gamblers who bet up draws what do I do? I have had some luck with aggression re raising them and making them pay for the draw however it's 4 players with 2 of them most likely drawing and another guy with an ace as well..

So the flop is a-5-4 2 clubs and for their range ak isn't likely and most likely any flush draw or 3 x like q-3 off or something weird like that and maybe another weak ace and less likely 2 pair. With the cards running out the flush comes a lot so does the wheel and sometimes the weak ace gets his weird 2 pair so what do I do. If it's nitty players who also draw and check I often give them free cards and let it run taking my small pot with 0 risk. If they bet raise and I re raise it it's just a coin flip until the river risking me 25 bucks or more to lose or win. So If they start betting should I just dump it and wait for a stronger hand like tp with a nut flush draw or set in hopes to fill up or hold up on a flush board with no str8 draw?:cool:
 
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I find that in limit games I like to play those hands strong because I find the odds to be better than a coin flip. Make them pay to draw, unless it's a super wet board.
 
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I do not like raising pre in this spot. All it does is enlarge the pot. No one is folding. AQo is not a monster; its not even a premium hand. If you do flop only overs (much of the time) you have wasted half a bet extra, and if you do make a top pair hand vs 4 other players you are in a tough spot. Everyone will have odds to chase draws. With AQo in a 5 way pot, you really want to hit the the flop hard. You might get lucky and get to raise an opener to isolate on the flop, but most people like to check to the raiser. You can also get pot stuck with a second or third best hand. This seems like a situation where you allow your opponents to play more perfectly after the flop by engineering a pot where you deny yourself a statistical edge.

Vs 1 or 2 already in the pot, then yes a raise and aggressive flop play are in order.
 
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I agree but my question was more tailored to one pair with ak-aq-aj vs gamblers who play 58 and 3-9 suited and their chasing the flush and you have top pair. Vs one player raise it up but vs 4 what do you do?
 
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I play a lot of limit poker I consider myself very astute in the mechanics of the game my question however is should I fold traditional big hands on flops where I know I have the best hands but the flip is just not worth value betting calling stations?

Having what you know is the best hand playing calling stations is the very best fixed limit scenario. You value bet them on every street. If they get there, that always SUX, but all it costs you is a few bets. This isn't no-limit where you have to protect your stack, and in that case, yeah, you would get out of their way unless they're short stacked, and then you GII while you're good.

It's always worth value betting stations, even in flip situations. Your opponents see that, and you can slow 'em down on future rounds when you're playing a pot with them.

For instance I have aq off in the cutoff with 4 players and im in position. I'm playing with the typical gamblers who bet up draws what do I do? I have had some luck with aggression re raising them and making them pay for the draw however it's 4 players with 2 of them most likely drawing and another guy with an ace as well..

So the flop is a-5-4 2 clubs and for their range ak isn't likely and most likely any flush draw or 3 x like q-3 off or something weird like that and maybe another weak ace and less likely 2 pair. With the cards running out the flush comes a lot so does the wheel and sometimes the weak ace gets his weird 2 pair so what do I do. If it's nitty players who also draw and check I often give them free cards and let it run taking my small pot with 0 risk. If they bet raise and I re raise it it's just a coin flip until the river risking me 25 bucks or more to lose or win. So If they start betting should I just dump it and wait for a stronger hand like tp with a nut flush draw or set in hopes to fill up or hold up on a flush board with no str8 draw?:cool:
In FLHE, this is usually a green light to the river. How you play depends. Sometimes, you might want to raise it if there's a bet ahead of you, and you definitely bet out OTF if checked around. You can also smooth call the flop and wait for the expensive street to try to thin the herd.

When you're against three other players, yeah, sometimes one of them binks or completes a draw. Those things happen, but it's far from a flip. You're putting one bet in the pot, and they are adding three more bets. You'll come out way ahead in the long run.

As for how any one session goes, that depends. If you know the nit is in, and he's not getting out because he hit his draw, or he won't go to the turn without binking at least two pair, then you can get out of his way. If that's not the case, and you have stationy players because "LOL it's limit" you never give them a break, and you sure don't give away any freebies.
 
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always have to raise to protect your hand against draws if you are ahead
 
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First and foremost go with your gut ,if you are comfortable folding on missed flop do it.
I personally would not fold without a board that would have a potential made hand. I would see the turn, the bets are still cheap it allows you to 1 either Pair your cards or 2 see if their bs little str8s or flushes they were chasing filled out before the betting gets higher. But in limit I always go with my gut, If yours gut instinct is usually correct you will be right more times than not. I think the key is to have the ability to put your opponents on probable hands and their hand range as well as betting patterns they may have and other tells If you have that figured out you are way ahead of the game.
I always have said "There is no shame in folding the best hand, only in losing with the worst"
 
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I think you have to play big hands and dont fold them. The bet is limited and the pot is big in the reaver. The better thing is to play them instead of fold them.
 
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i think you need to bet -by just checking you might be telling other player your hand is weak or you missed the flop completely-i dont think position matters as much in limit -vs-no limit-i play it sometimes live and when i hit the flop -or i have a draw i normally bet out not checking-now if i had a-k and missed the flop,i might fold to a person that was betting out esp.a nit or tag player-and would insta fold to a raise after missing flop-
 
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It is not recommended , because I think this way is more cunning than luck with big h

It's a matter of luck because the limit betting in some cases is so low and with a margin of loss minimum which allows the other players at the table to play more openly their projects and thus gain hands on the turn and river frequently and thus damage our armed combination in the Flop:) :mad:
 
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Very old poker saying; 'Don't get married to your cards'.
 
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i think you need to bet -by just checking you might be telling other player your hand is weak or you missed the flop completely-i dont think position matters as much in limit -vs-no limit-i play it sometimes live and when i hit the flop -or i have a draw i normally bet out not checking-now if i had a-k and missed the flop,i might fold to a person that was betting out esp.a nit or tag player-and would insta fold to a raise after missing flop-


If your in position with ak on a flop of k-5-6-- 2 diamonds then re raising with only top pair isn't betting with a strong hand. I have found tptk not very strong in limit holdem with 4 or more players,yet you know you have the best hand so it's strong that's the conundrum.
 
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