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Hey guys, having some deep trouble and it's so frustrating.

I'm trying to implement "Hand Range Reading" into my cash game. It's so frustrating because I'm actually doing worse then before... can someone please help me. Is this the process of learning new techniques?? Or am I doing something wrong. I'm so lost. As when I see people do it on video it looks so goddamn easy for them. Please help. Thank you.
 
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Where are you playing & what stakes are you playing?
Are you winning/loosing atm?
More info is needed

It's actually not that hard.
You open certain hands position wise. So do the other players.
Like, UTG the hands you are opening are very strong preflop hands like AA,KK, +pairs, some good connectors, good Ace highs etc...

But a Buttons range is pretty wide.

You play those ranges, so do the other players. So what you must do is try to analyse his hand strength by assuming those specific ranges & try to polarise it down on later betting streets. Then evaluate your hand strength compared to the Vs.

But this usually works on decent players who sticks to their ranges.
 
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Where are you playing & what stakes are you playing?
Are you winning/loosing atm?
More info is needed

It's actually not that hard.
You open certain hands position wise. So do the other players.
Like, UTG the hands you are opening are very strong preflop hands like AA,KK, +pairs, some good connectors, good Ace highs etc...

But a Buttons range is pretty wide.

You play those ranges, so do the other players. So what you must do is try to analyse his hand strength by assuming those specific ranges & try to polarise it down on later betting streets. Then evaluate your hand strength compared to the Vs.

But this usually works on decent players who sticks to their ranges.

Thank you. I'm playing NL2. I was on the winning/ break even side before I tried implementing this technique. I am now a losing player :/ it just sucks cause I'm just trying to better my poker play...
 
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any graphs of the progress until now?

Start posting some of the hands you have trouble analysing in the hand analysis section.
Don't post the final results when posting. Add what you think about the V, your thought process etc.. Read the rules before posting

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/

check out this thread as well & post your questions, struggles there. Most of the top players/coaches on CC gather there. You can gain so much info.

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/polished-poker-vol-i-study-group-227214//

With time you can get the hang of this. Don't try to make it super hard. Keep it simple.
Posting your hands & getting opinions about them is one of the most effective ways to improve your game.

If you can post a hand as an example I can try to explain playing ranges
 
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example
Take this hand

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Kh Kd...
UTG raises to 4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 30 BB, fold, Hero calls 20 BB
Flop : (64.4 BB, 2 players) 5h 2c 3h
BB bets 32.2 BB, Hero calls 32.2 BB

Turn : (128.8 BB, 2 players) Kc
BB bets 61.6 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 61.6 BB
River : (252 BB, 2 players) Jc
Hero shows Kh Kd (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 70%, Flop 70%, Turn 91%)
BB shows Ks Ah (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 30%, Flop 30%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins 239.4 BB

when the UTG opens his range is pretty tight. But since I have Kings I 3 bet. (sizings are a bit small. don't think about that.)
Then the BB 4 bets. So in my shoes, I can easily put him on a very good hand.
Something from QQ+ to perhaps AK. Some people overplay AK.

In his shoes he should think like this.
OK so the UTG opens. He definitely have a good hand. But this guy 3 bets the UTG. SO his hand must be really good. Probably JJ+,AQ+ perhaps some connecters. So should I reraise with my AK here where I am out of position?...

In UTG's shoes he should think like this. SO I opened & this guy 3 bets me. So he mus have a really good hand to 3 bet against UTG range. So I should put him on a really good range.
But then the BB 4 bets against me at UTG & the 3 bet! So he must have a really really good hand. Most likely AA or KK.

It goes like that :D
 
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example
Take this hand

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Kh Kd...
UTG raises to 4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 30 BB, fold, Hero calls 20 BB
Flop : (64.4 BB, 2 players) 5h 2c 3h
BB bets 32.2 BB, Hero calls 32.2 BB

Turn : (128.8 BB, 2 players) Kc
BB bets 61.6 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 61.6 BB
River : (252 BB, 2 players) Jc
Hero shows Kh Kd (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 70%, Flop 70%, Turn 91%)
BB shows Ks Ah (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 30%, Flop 30%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins 239.4 BB

when the UTG opens his range is pretty tight. But since I have Kings I 3 bet. (sizings are a bit small. don't think about that.)
Then the BB 4 bets. So in my shoes, I can easily put him on a very good hand.
Something from QQ+ to perhaps AK. Some people overplay AK.

In his shoes he should think like this.
OK so the UTG opens. He definitely have a good hand. But this guy 3 bets the UTG. SO his hand must be really good. Probably JJ+,AQ+ perhaps some connecters. So should I reraise with my AK here where I am out of position?...

In UTG's shoes he should think like this. SO I opened & this guy 3 bets me. So he mus have a really good hand to 3 bet against UTG range. So I should put him on a really good range.
But then the BB 4 bets against me at UTG & the 3 bet! So he must have a really really good hand. Most likely AA or KK.

It goes like that :D

Starts to make more sense. I find my trouble is when i don't have a premium hand and nor does he show his hand is premium either.
Example. I'm on the button with Kjo. everyone folds to me. I open 3BB. The guy sitting in the BB just calls. Flop comes 68K rainbow. I bet half the pot he calls. Turn comes 7. I raise. He calls. River is a 2, I raise he re raises. I think about the possible hands he could of called with so I decide to call. He shows 5 4s. How the hell am I suppose to know he was flat calling with that...
 
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you think about what hands he could reraise you with on the river and compare with yur own hand strangth, river reraises are usually strong atthe micros.
 
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maybe you are not prepared enough for playing at the selected limits?
 
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