i would rather be a donkey than a nit

AlfieAA

AlfieAA

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 17, 2012
Total posts
10,689
Awards
4
Chips
0
hey guys, i installed my hud yesterday and got to grips with what the stats all mean, and i was surprised at the low numbers of a nit.....omg how can they expect to get action when they do finally decide to bet a hand?.....thanks to the hud i faced about 2 raises in 200 hands by this particular nit and everyone folded, including me.....thanks to my hud......if i never had the hud i would prob have 3 betted as i had ace jack.......im not good at reading players without a hud at the moment because im new and trying to do the best i can, and its a hell of a lot to take in when trying to learn everything at once....

but anyway, how do nits make money?.....they never bet and when they do everyone will respect that bet and fold.....also it must be incredibly boring to be a nit, sitting there folding all the time......i think i would rather be a donkey than a nit tbh atleast it would be more fun
 
RodneyC86

RodneyC86

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Jul 15, 2012
Total posts
592
Chips
0
They take money from spaz fish who does not pay attention.
 
B

BluffYou123

Back in the Game
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 14, 2009
Total posts
3,680
Chips
0
I'm a nit at low stakes and it works cos lots of the players are really dumb or else they don't care. You could only play AA and KK and still get action. This is in tournaments though, not sure what cash is like.
 
R

RamdeeBen

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Aug 9, 2010
Total posts
7,745
Chips
0
You will find nits at any level but oddly enough, as bluff says, you could literally play AA/KK early stages and still get action and at micros peopel are that bad, they are not paying attention if you had played 1 hand out of 100 if they have 55 or A,J they are willing to get stacks in.

Nits make money simply by playing ABC poker at micros, bet when they have it and fold when they don't. People will still pay them off to make it worthwhile. The vast majority of nits will be mass multi tabling, meaning each decision is very easy so they can play a very nitty game and with the amount of volume they are getting in, they will profit.
 
AlfieAA

AlfieAA

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 17, 2012
Total posts
10,689
Awards
4
Chips
0
I'm a nit at low stakes and it works cos lots of the players are really dumb or else they don't care. You could only play AA and KK and still get action. This is in tournaments though, not sure what cash is like.

yeah it would maybe work in tournaments until the blinds starting getting bigger then you would have to make a move....
 
R

RamdeeBen

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Aug 9, 2010
Total posts
7,745
Chips
0
still not making a huge profit though, even the spaz fish can spot a nit

You would be surprised. I know of low/mid/high stake players who play a very ABC nitty game making in excess of 100k$$$$'s a year playing like 20+ tables at a time.
Spaz fish also don't spot a nit, they spaz to nits/fish/loose/anyone, you might just think they do, if for soem reason they fold to a nit at one point. Spaz fish just gamble, regardless.
 
B

BluffYou123

Back in the Game
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 14, 2009
Total posts
3,680
Chips
0
yeah it would maybe work in tournaments until the blinds starting getting bigger then you would have to make a move....

Of course but because of playing nitty early on you will get more respect from some players later in the game.
 
JusSumguy

JusSumguy

Chipmonger
Silver Level
Joined
Aug 9, 2011
Total posts
4,271
Awards
2
Chips
0
alyoung said:
i would rather be a donkey than a nit

I would rather be a nit, with a cuppla fish at the table. :)

-
 
trucker103

trucker103

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Feb 1, 2009
Total posts
1,029
Chips
0
nits go home with there cash donkeys well lets leave it at that !
 
absoluthamm

absoluthamm

<==Poker Face
Silver Level
Joined
May 5, 2008
Total posts
5,692
Awards
1
Chips
0
You would be MUCH better off being a nit than a donk. Very slow but fairly steady.
 
B

BlueNowhere

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 1, 2011
Total posts
4,234
Chips
0
pokerstars should just ban nits, nobody likes them and they offer nothing to the game.
 
AlfieAA

AlfieAA

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 17, 2012
Total posts
10,689
Awards
4
Chips
0
Yup nits dont bring anything to the game, they should ban players who go under a certain vpip score
 
B

Big_Rudy

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 17, 2010
Total posts
1,833
Chips
0
You would be MUCH better off being a nit than a donk. Very slow but fairly steady.

Yep, nitty is the way to play the game at the micros, especially if you're just learning the game. You can expand to other styles later, as your game grows. FWIW, all the other scorned styles work at the low micros as well.... Fit/Fold, Weak/Tight, etc. you can make money with all of these since there will be donks waiting to pay you off often enough to make it profitable.

Now, obviously, you won't be as profitable as a good TAG, or a good LAG, but the key here is "good". At the micros you'll often see players try to play these styles, but play them poorly. Best, or at least cheapest, to learn the game as a nit and grow from there. Much more expensive to try to learn the game as a LAG from day one.

Pokerstars should just ban nits, nobody likes them and they offer nothing to the game.

Didn't realize they were there to be liked:p . Thought they were there to make money and, possibly, to learn the game if they are new.
 
absoluthamm

absoluthamm

<==Poker Face
Silver Level
Joined
May 5, 2008
Total posts
5,692
Awards
1
Chips
0
Don't get me wrong, I don't like nits and I would much rather have donks at my table than nits, but if I was to choose for myself to play one of the two "styles" over the other, it would definitely be nitty.
 
AlfieAA

AlfieAA

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 17, 2012
Total posts
10,689
Awards
4
Chips
0
Yep, nitty is the way to play the game at the micros, especially if you're just learning the game. You can expand to other styles later, as your game grows. FWIW, all the other scorned styles work at the low micros as well.... Fit/Fold, Weak/Tight, etc. you can make money with all of these since there will be donks waiting to pay you off often enough to make it profitable.

Now, obviously, you won't be as profitable as a good TAG, or a good LAG, but the key here is "good". At the micros you'll often see players try to play these styles, but play them poorly. Best, or at least cheapest, to learn the game as a nit and grow from there. Much more expensive to try to learn the game as a LAG from day one.



Didn't realize they were there to be liked:p . Thought they were there to make money and, possibly, to learn the game if they are new.

Interesting thanks......so as a new player myself you dont recommend I play a lag/tag style.....I thought I was a tag until I had the hud on last night and my vpip and pfr was above 30....so that would make me a lag right?....although I was getting some tasty hands and always raise instead of limping regardless of my position....with there being a few nits at the table I was only playing against 2 or 3 people in the hands I played.....should I adopt the dreaded nit style and mix it up with a lagtag now and again or stick to being a nit?....its not they style I see myself playing in the future but if that's the way you should approach it when first learning then, hey I will take your advice and run with it....thanks
 
AlfieAA

AlfieAA

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 17, 2012
Total posts
10,689
Awards
4
Chips
0
Don't get me wrong, I don't like nits and I would much rather have donks at my table than nits, but if I was to choose for myself to play one of the two "styles" over the other, it would definitely be nitty.

If you were just playing 1 table, would you still play nitty?....or would you only do that when playing multi tables as it wouldn't be so boring....
 
E

Ethenhunt06

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Mar 9, 2012
Total posts
1
Chips
0
As i think

As i think that you need to play some game without money with your friends and when you think that you have good hands on game then go for casino or any other place where you can earn.
 
absoluthamm

absoluthamm

<==Poker Face
Silver Level
Joined
May 5, 2008
Total posts
5,692
Awards
1
Chips
0
As i think that you need to play some game without money with your friends and when you think that you have good hands on game then go for casino or any other place where you can earn.
I disagree. Whereas I love playing with friends, there are a ton of distractions to really learn the game in the proper manner(drinking, music, talking, TV, etc). Even though I can't stand it, I would recommend online play money play before friend play(in most cases) because you're going to see more hands and situations, albeit not common in a real game(very rarely would the entire table go all in preflop in a real money game).
 
AlfieAA

AlfieAA

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 17, 2012
Total posts
10,689
Awards
4
Chips
0
Yeah I agree, I played with my mates a couple of times and its just abit fun, not good for learning! Too many distractions namely girls, food and beer
 
AlfieAA

AlfieAA

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 17, 2012
Total posts
10,689
Awards
4
Chips
0
Play money online poker is just bingo imo, there's more shipping than there is at amazon
 
B

Big_Rudy

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 17, 2010
Total posts
1,833
Chips
0
Interesting thanks......so as a new player myself you dont recommend I play a lag/tag style.....I thought I was a tag until I had the hud on last night and my vpip and pfr was above 30....so that would make me a lag right?....although I was getting some tasty hands and always raise instead of limping regardless of my position....with there being a few nits at the table I was only playing against 2 or 3 people in the hands I played.....should I adopt the dreaded nit style and mix it up with a lagtag now and again or stick to being a nit?....its not they style I see myself playing in the future but if that's the way you should approach it when first learning then, hey I will take your advice and run with it....thanks

The fewer tables you play, the more you can afford to open it up a little bit, assuming you are paying attention to the table dynamics, etc. As for the rest.... If you are already playing LAG/TAG and winning with it over a decent-sized sample, then go with it, if it's working for you.

I would say for most new players, however, that the optimal learning progression would be something like Nit--->Tag --->Lag with actually a fair number of players just stopping once they reach Tag. It's not that nit style is optimal, it isn't imo. It's just that it's easy to learn and build your game slowly without going broke trying to learn Tag/Lag when you don't have a rock-solid grasp of the basics first.
 
G

GWU73

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Apr 18, 2012
Total posts
785
Chips
0
^^^ I agree, although I think the top is when you are playing each player differently. ie.. stealing from nits, raising loose passive players to isolate, value betting callers etc. Most people at the table have no clue what you are doing; they each have incorrect impressions of your style.
 
Top