Thinker_145
Visionary
Silver Level
So I have been playing 50NL again after a long time and I am doing better this time but I still find it so frustrating how much 3 betting happens. Now I did try a 4 bet bluff a couple of times and it worked but that can only work so many times. Also isn't it kinda bad to fold after a 4 bet bluff with only a 100BB stack?
Here is an example of a hand where I just got lucky. I just called out of frustration that am I now supposed to not even steal with this hand or am I just supposed to let it go after such a wide range of 3 betting? The villain in question is 3 betting 14% from the SB/BB when facing a BTN open.
iPoker - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
MP: 129.06 BB (VPIP: 23.61, PFR: 17.13, 3Bet Preflop: 5.92, hands: 20,878)
CO: 141.42 BB (VPIP: 25.96, PFR: 20.03, 3Bet Preflop: 6.74, Hands: 1,261)
Hero (BTN): 103.02 BB
SB: 97.84 BB (VPIP: 28.78, PFR: 21.99, 3Bet Preflop: 8.48, Hands: 16,187)
BB: 39 BB (VPIP: 31.43, PFR: 2.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
UTG: 106.94 BB (VPIP: 22.55, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 7.94, Hands: 4,339)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9:spade: 8:spade:
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, SB raises to 8 BB, fold, Hero calls 6 BB
Flop: (17 BB, 2 players) K:heart: 5:club: 6:diamond:
SB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB
Turn: (29 BB, 2 players) 7:club:
SB bets 14.5 BB, Hero calls 14.5 BB
River: (58 BB, 2 players) K:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets 34.8 BB, SB calls 34.8 BB
Hero shows 9:spade: 8:spade: (Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 16%, Turn 77%)
SB shows K:club: 8:club: (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 67%, Flop 84%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins 121.6 BB
So you can see either I am being exploited or the villain is just crazy I mean K8s?? I honestly didn't have much of a plan in this hand and just wanted to "play some poker" as they say. But I think I would really like to have something more comfortable. Frustration has lead to my demise in 50NL previously and I really don't want an epic meltdown again.
Now I am following a GTO chart given by a user sometime ago on when you should just commit yourself facing 3 bets. However that only has so many hands. I feel some players are certainly 3 betting me more than their actual stat but there is no way to know that in PT4 which sucks.
Now most of the times when I do 4 bet I get a fold from a reg but that's because I only 4 bet actual hands. I don't think I really want to regularly get into 4 bet bluffs as that would have brutal variance.
I was thinking perhaps I should stop 4 betting entirely so it becomes fairly difficult to play me post flop in a 3 bet pot? I would of course still 4 bet if fish are left to act but in other spots I think this could be a good strategy to protect my weak calls from getting blown away by aggression on later streets. Rarely have I seen someone trying to get cute in 4 bet pots or at least not against me.
So ultimately what plan there is to deal with the sort of play in the above hand?
Here is an example of a hand where I just got lucky. I just called out of frustration that am I now supposed to not even steal with this hand or am I just supposed to let it go after such a wide range of 3 betting? The villain in question is 3 betting 14% from the SB/BB when facing a BTN open.
iPoker - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
MP: 129.06 BB (VPIP: 23.61, PFR: 17.13, 3Bet Preflop: 5.92, hands: 20,878)
CO: 141.42 BB (VPIP: 25.96, PFR: 20.03, 3Bet Preflop: 6.74, Hands: 1,261)
Hero (BTN): 103.02 BB
SB: 97.84 BB (VPIP: 28.78, PFR: 21.99, 3Bet Preflop: 8.48, Hands: 16,187)
BB: 39 BB (VPIP: 31.43, PFR: 2.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
UTG: 106.94 BB (VPIP: 22.55, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 7.94, Hands: 4,339)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9:spade: 8:spade:
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, SB raises to 8 BB, fold, Hero calls 6 BB
Flop: (17 BB, 2 players) K:heart: 5:club: 6:diamond:
SB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB
Turn: (29 BB, 2 players) 7:club:
SB bets 14.5 BB, Hero calls 14.5 BB
River: (58 BB, 2 players) K:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets 34.8 BB, SB calls 34.8 BB
Hero shows 9:spade: 8:spade: (Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 16%, Turn 77%)
SB shows K:club: 8:club: (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 67%, Flop 84%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins 121.6 BB
So you can see either I am being exploited or the villain is just crazy I mean K8s?? I honestly didn't have much of a plan in this hand and just wanted to "play some poker" as they say. But I think I would really like to have something more comfortable. Frustration has lead to my demise in 50NL previously and I really don't want an epic meltdown again.
Now I am following a GTO chart given by a user sometime ago on when you should just commit yourself facing 3 bets. However that only has so many hands. I feel some players are certainly 3 betting me more than their actual stat but there is no way to know that in PT4 which sucks.
Now most of the times when I do 4 bet I get a fold from a reg but that's because I only 4 bet actual hands. I don't think I really want to regularly get into 4 bet bluffs as that would have brutal variance.
I was thinking perhaps I should stop 4 betting entirely so it becomes fairly difficult to play me post flop in a 3 bet pot? I would of course still 4 bet if fish are left to act but in other spots I think this could be a good strategy to protect my weak calls from getting blown away by aggression on later streets. Rarely have I seen someone trying to get cute in 4 bet pots or at least not against me.
So ultimately what plan there is to deal with the sort of play in the above hand?