Did I play this Wrong?

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Whats up everyone. Just want opinions on wether I played this correctly or not. This was a live cash game I played last night at Mohegan Sun.
1/2 nl.
Im in the Small Blind and get dealt AA. Calls all around. The button raises and makes it $12 to go. I call. The bb, a late position player, and the cut off call.
Flop: 8 K 4 rainbow.
I bet $36.
Bb folds.
LP calls.
Button calls.
Turn: 2
I bet $65.
LP calls.
Button folds.
River: 8
I bet $100
LP re raises me all in for another $65. I call.
LP shows 10 8 off suit. WTF!
Did I go wrong anywhere?:confused: :rolleyes: :mad:
 
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yes with all the limpers and then the raiser by you just calling it gives the other players odds to call, you should have re popped it to about $45. Yes I know you wanna disguise the strenth of your hand but with that many people in the pot you have to get rid of some of them. Remeber Doyle said its better to win a small pot then to lose a big one.
 
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I'm pretty okay with your flop, turn, and river play. I have the biggest problem with your preflop play. You're in the SB so you're out of position the entire hand. You described the table all limped, so when the button raises to $12 and you call, you're inviting everyone else to call. You need to 3bet preflop, and now you can hammer the flop harder than $36 and probably take down a $100 pot rather than losing a ~$500 pot.

I could see just flatting with AA if you were in the BB and the button was first to enter the pot. But just too many people to act behind you. Your preflop decision was a recipe for disaster and that's what happened.
 
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On a side note, if you limp with AA, or slow play it, you have to be prepared to fold it.
 
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First and foremost thanks for responding. In retrospect (hind sight is 20/20) and talking to some friends I should have re raised preflop rather than just calling. Yes i did want to disguise the strength of my hand. So disaster happened. I calmed down about it now and picking it apart. It will never happen again. Lesson learned.
I have been mostly a tourney player and have now decided to work on my cash game. What would you guys say is most important for me to know when playing cash games?
 
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I would have raised with that many preflop players to lower the players. And you would have definitely knocked out the 10-8 guy preflop.
 
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ppl playing that level arent thinking "hey that person raised it 6xs the bb and probably has a good hand".

theyre thinking "its just 10$ to call" and if they hit one of thier cards they think they got u. lolololo

u probably shoulda raised it more like 20, lolol. and i bet some1 still woulda called u lolol.

i wouldnt wrry about it -its just one of those hands they got lucky on u. Anyway id stay away from the 1/2 table and do anything else up there at da Sun. anything else. lololol
 
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You have to 3-bet there to at least $36, more like $40 or $50. It's going to look squeezy. If you develop a proper 3-betting/squeeze strategy, then you'll still get action if you're doing this light sometimes. If you were just sitting there waiting for aces all night and then you 3-bet... Well, that'd look pretty strong... But from the SB you really need to 3-bet...

This goes in the Hand Analysis forum btw...
 
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First and foremost thanks for responding. In retrospect (hind sight is 20/20) and talking to some friends I should have re raised preflop rather than just calling. Yes i did want to disguise the strength of my hand. So disaster happened. I calmed down about it now and picking it apart. It will never happen again. Lesson learned.
I have been mostly a tourney player and have now decided to work on my cash game. What would you guys say is most important for me to know when playing cash games?
Your hand selection will widen slightly and the most obvious and correct answer is BRM learn that to reduce the losses in the swings.
 
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Hi mate,

Horrid suck out. I mean the only thing I would of done is maybe made my first bet a little bit bigger, I know most people would see it as an over bet but with so many callers, and so many people willing to call it just takes that bit more to get rid of them.

And unfortunately, Mr Trip 8's sucked out on you at hit the River.

I play at well lower than 1/2, and have only been playing for around 6 months, but that is my only feedback I suppose.

Cheers,
Marc
 
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You needed to three bet pre flop. If it got to an all in then all the better. This is AA after all. A raise to about $36 pre flop would have most likely gotten LP to fold.
 
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You needed to three bet pre flop. If it got to an all in then all the better. This is AA after all. A raise to about $36 pre flop would have most likely gotten LP to fold.

Yes, I didnt even think about 3 - betting. Which hopefully would of had the same effect as my suggestion of getting rid of the callers with marginal hands.
 
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Hmm - You Lost the hand fromm the start.

Yup, with AA, you and 2 others in the pot you're around only 50% to win usually.

You want no more than 2 other callers, but I'd recommend getting some chips in an attempt to get a heads up. If it fails and everyone folds you at least don't end up in a bad position like you did. Especially going early. With that many in there you're going to lose. To be honest from that position with that many in, I'd rather have some connector than AA. That way its easier to walk away and you stand a chance of winning. AA wont work. Im not saying I prefer the cards more, just that your position is not good at all with your holding.

In a cash game, depending on the table etc Id raise more that 3x if there that many callers. It takes one to come along and the rest are spying the money in there. If this guy raised 12 on the button or whatever, with those limpers before him I'd have done a very big raise. Pos around 45-50-55 even. I just dont think 3x is good enough in the SB - its FAR too risky from what went on before you called! This is too much of a raise you think? Nope not really imo. People at these tables know the value of the odds you're offering and are usually not shy to put some $$ in there. If they call or whatever, whether their play is correct or not doesn't really make a difference to me. What matter is I want them gone! The most crucial thing here for me is not to go broke. You just can't afford your position to go wrong because you'll lose a LOT of money.

Also after the flop, because you called with AA in the position, I think I would really check to the pre-flop raiser. Why?
1. Because your position is the pits.
2. Because your position is the pits.
3. Because your position is the pits.
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10.Because your position is the pits.

Do you get it?! But also:

1. Because he's expected to C bet anyway.
2. Because there's a chance someone will bet and you could check raise if you believe you are still strong. Btw if someone called the check raise, I'd be getting seriously uncomfortable.
3. Because I want to see what everyone does before I act on this. Since the pot is a decent size, you're going to be building a bit pot with a hand thats easily beat with 3 others.

The way you played the hand, I think you have to be prepared to throw it. This sound crazy? What with AA and that flop???? Am I mad???? What drugs am I taking, right?
Well imo no. You have no idea where you stand with all these players hanging around, and a pot thats going to get scary.
I'd much rather like to be in a position where I can chip away at a couple of pots and try to control the situation better. If I'm getting money in this pot its before the turn and the river I can tell you that 100%

I know the flop looks 'ok' etc but from my experience people in these games don't play like the books you read. They like to flat call what I consider a decent amount of money in position.
Because you didnt raise I suspect he probably didnt even consider putting you on AA and thought you hit your K or something and he could get you off the hand. Assuming you did hit your K your kicker was probably not that good either - because you didnt raise!

Also I know this isnt the case here, because his play was slighty moronic and he probably has been watching some Gus Hansen video or something, but the call would have at least slowed me down a bit. This is probably what he was expecting at this stage but got lucky anyway.

Anyway, regardless if you agree with me or not, the FUNDAMENTAL key to it all was not to put yourself in this position in the 1st place.
 
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doyle said it best about pocket aces

" you can win a small pot, or lose a big pot"
 
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