Did I play this right? PLO

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BB post 0.04
tazer11 Calls 0.04 [Kd, As, Kh, 8h]
[Button] Raised to 0.13
BB Folds
tazer11 Calls 0.09

[Flop]

2d Kc Th

tazer11 Bets 0.12
[Button] Raised to 0.52
tazer11 Calls 0.40

[Turn]

Th

tazer11 Bets 0.20
[Button] Raised to 1.50
tazer11 Raised to 5.84 (All In)
[Button] Folds
tazer11 Shows Kd,As,Kh,8h
tazer11 Won 4.10 from Pot 1
tazer11 Won 4.34 from Pot 2

Guy had been playing very aggressive throughout. Just curious as to what your opinions are of the hand, and could I have played it better. Or if I played it wrong. Any feedback is appreciated :).

Also, if someone could tell me how to use a converter to post hand histories that would be great! Thanks everyone. :D
 
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10h on the flop and at turn? Well played
 
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10h on the flop and at turn? Well played

Whoops, guess I put it down wrong. I'll have to look at that again. I was a little on the tired side. haha Thanks for pointing that out.


Edit: Checked at it was a 7s...

I really dropped the ball on that one. Wouldn't let me edit the main post to change it.
 
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I'm not able to edit my posts either. maybe that will changes after I've posted enough times.

As to your hand. It appears he was just trying to buy you off the hand. About the only thing you might have done differently was when you re-raised him all in you may have scared him off a call if he had a marginal hand. Maybe re-raising 1/2 to 2/3 of your stack might have prompted a call and made you a little more on the hand. Nice hand; you made a profit and profits are good. You never go broke making a profit!;)
 
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PLO is easy when you have kings, flop a set, and turn a boat, but I think you missed out on just a bit of value
your river bet is way to small, when you have strong hands, you have to make appropriate sized value bets. You can still go small if you choose (if your begging for a call) but that's too small. As it turned out your opponent likely interpreted that as a blocker or weakness (such as a 2 pr or lone king type hand) and tried to take it with a PSB.


However, the implications of a normal sized river value bet mean that your opponents reraise has to be larger, which is the most important consideration, ESPECIALLY in PLO.
that's the big reason why you make larger value bets.
betting 15% of pot on the river is just strange, and isn't optimal longterm - if you just bet half pot the opponent likely still reraises and you win much more.
As a matter of fact, if you bet 50% on the river and opponent reraises, your shove is more likely to be called, ESPECIALLY at the lowest levels. That's the part of the hand where a casual player goes
"what the hell, I have 2 pair and there's already so much in the pot"
obviously a sensible PLO players understands that folding in these spots is essential but a casual player will stack off light just 'because'
they don't see the game like us, its not 30 big blinds saved to them, its 60 committed/lost.
to conclude,
bet bigger = good things always happen.
Karozi
 
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your river shove becomes callable and not a ridiculous overbet if you follow my rule of thumb
 
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PLO is easy when you have kings, flop a set, and turn a boat, but I think you missed out on just a bit of value
your river bet is way to small, when you have strong hands, you have to make appropriate sized value bets. You can still go small if you choose (if your begging for a call) but that's too small. As it turned out your opponent likely interpreted that as a blocker or weakness (such as a 2 pr or lone king type hand) and tried to take it with a PSB.


However, the implications of a normal sized river value bet mean that your opponents reraise has to be larger, which is the most important consideration, ESPECIALLY in PLO.
that's the big reason why you make larger value bets.
betting 15% of pot on the river is just strange, and isn't optimal longterm - if you just bet half pot the opponent likely still reraises and you win much more.
As a matter of fact, if you bet 50% on the river and opponent reraises, your shove is more likely to be called, ESPECIALLY at the lowest levels. That's the part of the hand where a casual player goes
"what the hell, I have 2 pair and there's already so much in the pot"
obviously a sensible PLO players understands that folding in these spots is essential but a casual player will stack off light just 'because'
they don't see the game like us, its not 30 big blinds saved to them, its 60 committed/lost.
to conclude,
bet bigger = good things always happen.
Karozi


So basically I should have just bet 1/2 pot after his big raise on the turn? I guess part of me wasn't sure if he was chasing something and may hit it on the river making my trips useless. :/
 
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10h on the flop and at turn? Well played

Edit: Checked at it was a 7s...

PLO is easy when you have kings, flop a set, and turn a boat,

So basically I should have just bet 1/2 pot after his big raise on the turn? I guess part of me wasn't sure if he was chasing something and may hit it on the river making my trips useless. :/

Unfortunately there is rather a lot of confusion in this discussion as you didn't make a FH on the turn after all.

Also the money went in on the turn as far as I can tell so there are no river bets to discuss

However the 7s couldn't have helped the villain too much either, you still have the best hand and Karozi's advice is still good.

But rather than saying re-raise for less on the turn, I believe he is saying that your initial bet of 20 on the turn into a pot of 1.28 is too small. If you bet larger he may still re-raise you but now there is a lot more in the pot (with you as favourite) and when you do re-raise he may feel he is more committed.

To your point of 'he may be chasing', — well what is he chasing on 2dKcTh 7s board? — 89 for oesd?, trip T's which could turn into a boat with the right card on the river? Whatever he is chasing here, you have the best hand and should make him put in as much as you can get away with. If he does hit his longshot on the river it is still the best play
 
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I'm not able to edit my posts either. maybe that will changes after I've posted enough times.

You can edit your posts for 30 minutes after posting. (button at the bottom next to 'Quote' button)
After that they can not be edited by you but if it is important you can use the red triangle in the corner to bring it to the attention of a mod for them to change it for you.
Use this feature very sparingly– the mods have enough to do already ;)
 
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Pot it pre-. Why get fancy? Assuming villain calls,

Pot the flop. Why get fancy? Assuming villain calls,

Pot the turn.

If villain 3bets pre-, 4bet pot. Why get fancy?
 
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Pot it pre-. Why get fancy? Assuming villain calls,

Pot the flop. Why get fancy? Assuming villain calls,

Pot the turn.

If villain 3bets pre-, 4bet pot. Why get fancy?
Just what I was gonna say.

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nice played, first you doubled up and second from the very beginning you were ahead almost against any hand but aces then when the flop was displayed and you completed the set of kings you were way ahead and more than that because the flop was rainbow and a possible straight was really unlikely,

then it came the turn and brought a T which gave you the best full possible and just losing if the villain had had the other pair of tens (which was a possibility but the way he played from the start it seemed like he didnt) so at the end you pushed with the nuts and he payed, well done!
 
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nice played, first you doubled up and second from the very beginning you were ahead almost against any hand but aces then when the flop was displayed and you completed the set of kings you were way ahead and more than that because the flop was rainbow and a possible straight was really unlikely,

then it came the turn and brought a 7 which didn't give you a full house and you're not losing if the villain has a pair of tens (which was a possibility but the way he played from the start it seemed like he didnt) so at the end you pushed with a good hand and he folded and didn't pay!!, well done!

FYP

It's confusing I know but you need to read the other posts (and the OP too)
 
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I think you played the had well. You landed the flop and made the appropriate moves according to his aggressive play to get the most value out of the pot. Great job!
 
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Unfortunately there is rather a lot of confusion in this discussion as you didn't make a FH on the turn after all.

Also the money went in on the turn as far as I can tell so there are no river bets to discuss

However the 7s couldn't have helped the villain too much either, you still have the best hand and Karozi's advice is still good.

But rather than saying re-raise for less on the turn, I believe he is saying that your initial bet of 20 on the turn into a pot of 1.28 is too small. If you bet larger he may still re-raise you but now there is a lot more in the pot (with you as favourite) and when you do re-raise he may feel he is more committed.

To your point of 'he may be chasing', — well what is he chasing on 2dKcTh 7s board? — 89 for oesd?, trip T's which could turn into a boat with the right card on the river? Whatever he is chasing here, you have the best hand and should make him put in as much as you can get away with. If he does hit his longshot on the river it is still the best play

So I just need to bet better with my cards knowing I have a good hand and knowing that he is either chasing something or has a lower set of trips than I do. Hopefully I will play it better if the situation arises next time. Thank you Sam! :)
 
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