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Did I play this too passively or was this just a sick suckout?
Hero: $6.31 (Roughly 150 BB)
Villain: $4.52 (113 bb)
Pre flop: Hero raises to 0.16 (4x) on the button with pocket jacks and villain defends his BB
Flop: 10c 6s 2d
Villain leads out 1/2 pot, hero call. ($1.50 in the pot)

Turn: 8h
Villain leads full pot, hero call ($3.00)

River: 4c
Villain leads 0.32 into a pot of $4.50, I call
Villain shows: 10s4s (two pair)
Hero shows: JcJh

What do u guys think? This really put me on tilt due to how much I was up and how long I had been playing.
 
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I supposed you could have shoved after the turn so you would be the aggressor. At that point he's only got a pair of 10s with no kicker to mention. He'd have to figure he is behind, but he probably would have called anyway and then you'd have really been mad.
 
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Standard donk play going crazy with top pair and with total disregard to his kicker. If I was being picky, half-pot or less on the flop usually isnt too strong or is a draw in my experience, so you could raise him there, but really, your play is fine. I love the call on the river, after he trys to induce a raise. Unlucky mate.
 
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Did I play this too passively or was this just a sick suckout?
Hero: $6.31 (Roughly 150 BB)
Villain: $4.52 (113 bb)
Pre flop: Hero raises to 0.16 (4x) on the button with pocket jacks and villain defends his BB
Flop: 10c 6s 2d
Villain leads out 1/2 pot, hero call. ($1.50 in the pot)

Turn: 8h
Villain leads full pot, hero call ($3.00)

River: 4c
Villain leads 0.32 into a pot of $4.50, I call
Villain shows: 10s4s (two pair)
Hero shows: JcJh

What do u guys think? This really put me on tilt due to how much I was up and how long I had been playing.
 
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i think you could have raised the flop and got it in on the turn. Or if you flat call the flop that is alryt too but then you should have made a sizeable raise on the turn. If he still calls well then you can't do much. say nice hand and move on.
 
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Raise the turn and bet big on the river would be what I would do. If the guy has a piece, he'll bet the turn anyway and if he doesn't, he'll fold to your check raise when he could have hit a card on the turn (hoping that it would be an undercard to your jacks). It's hard for a microstakes player to fold an eight there with no regard to their kicker with a check raise on the turn.
 
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The strong point in poker is never to lose your temper, either with those you are playing with or, more particularly, with the cards. There is no sympathy in poker. Always keep cool. If you lose your head you will lose all your chips.
 
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No you played it right. Micro stakes can be more difficult than higher ones because some of the players really don't give a sh*t and play reckless.
 
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when i play online which is almost never i constantly remind myself of 1 thing.THEY WONT FOLD. if you dont have better than 1 pair gl with any aggression because they are calling.he would not have folded to a push with top pair noway nohow
 
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Yeah you played it pretty good.. Though his river raise is rather suss...

JJ is one of the hardest hands to play IMO. Without any reads on our opponent its hard to put him on a range... I normally put fish on top pair but the regs and tighter players are the ones you need to watch for.

Because I often find if I'm getting resistence with JJ i'll run into QQ a lot or 2 pair like you did... I usually see QQ calling you down or raising sameway as our opponent but opponents with often KK or AA will shove flop or turn. Not saying to do this but its something to watch for because a lot in micro are playing this way.



Personally i'm starting to treat JJ as medium pocket pair online (set mine) if I don't hit trips well its pot control and try and keep bad hands in the game, and treat them still as prems In live poker.
 
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Don't think you would have run him of even with a bet after the flop so imo you kept your loss to a minimum and don't see where you could have played it any better.
 
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Everyone in this thread is thinking too narrowly and focusing on the results.

The questions you need to ask are what are the kinds of hands this guy could have? Be precise when you answer. Really try and think about what his range could have been.

Just saying "This is the micro's" or "well no one folds to aggression" is meaningless. How do you deal with the facts of the situation.

If you have a guy showing aggression and calling you down with top pair, why is that bad? We want that player at the table because he will do the same thing with a different hand. Peoples bad tendencies tend to repeat themselves.

If you want to know how to analyze a hand go to the Golden Archives and read a post about hand analysis. Its maybe halfway down the first page.

After you read that think about how you analyze your hands.

If you want to actually get better at this game you need to consider what you are doing. Why did you bet the amount you bet. Why is a call good, would a raise be better. Why would it be better? Do we have any support for the conclusion that this would be better?

Don't set mine with JJ, it has too much equity.

If people don't fold in online poker you should be making tons of money. If people call when they shouldn't you should be betting for value all the time. Sometimes you will get drawn out on. If you are losing money because other people call too much, then you need to play better and adjust.

Please, read the golden archive and look at some of the great knowledge that better players have written, you will learn a lot and you will be a better player for it.
 
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You played it fine...Villain played it badly and rivered you....The only way I feel you could have played it different would be shoving the turn and get it in there since villain basically screamed he had Tx....all in all...just very unlucky
 
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Everybody plays as can.You have the tactics.You played well.So continue.
 
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Everybody plays as can.You have the tactics.You played well.So continue
 
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Can you pls tell how would you have played it if you were on the bb with T4 v btn on that flop.
 
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I think you should have had re-raised the flop or the turn to control the pot better. You are in position so it is easier to play agains him nut flat calling 2 bets might not be the best play in this situation
 
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The numbers seem off. You opened for .16 (4x), BB called and SB was .02. That's .40. Villain bets half-pot, so .20, and you call. That makes the pot .80, not 1.50.
 
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Can you pls tell how would you have played it if you were on the bb with T4 v btn on that flop.
I'm curious why you think it will be helpful to get answers to this question since it's about a situation you shouldn't be in. But assuming I mis-clicked and called pre-, I bet ~60% on the flop. With opener probably having a fairly wide range, I'm certainly willing to take a stab with TP even with no kicker.
 
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Raise the turn and bet big on the river would be what I would do. If the guy has a piece, he'll bet the turn anyway and if he doesn't, he'll fold to your check raise when he could have hit a card on the turn (hoping that it would be an undercard to your jacks). It's hard for a microstakes player to fold an eight there with no regard to their kicker with a check raise on the turn.

This cannot apply here. If he raised on the turn the donk was already pot committed as almost half his stack was in the pot. He would just allin the raise. But hypothetically let's say he had more chips... Betting big on the river would lead him nowhere as he doesn't even know if he is in leading position. Checking the river would be the right move. But if he bet "big" (as in the $.78 his opponent would have left), and hypothetically his opponent had more chips... he would have normally gotten called, but since his opponent was a donk, he would have raised his "big" bet and lost even more money.

Moral of the story, the man played his hand very well, was just an unfortunate situation, and I am sure Mickmurr felt uneasy on the hand after the flop, and accepted the possibility that he may lose the hand. It's just the nature on which he lost on was disheartening.
 
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The numbers seem off. You opened for .16 (4x), BB called and SB was .02. That's .40. Villain bets half-pot, so .20, and you call. That makes the pot .80, not 1.50.

That confused me too and the stacks to blind ratios is weird.

I can't blame you for not raising when he two barrels pot, I would be seriously thinking about folding the river.
Oh, he bet half pot on flop, I would probably raise there my bad.
 
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This cannot apply here. If he raised on the turn the donk was already pot committed as almost half his stack was in the pot. He would just allin the raise. But hypothetically let's say he had more chips... Betting big on the river would lead him nowhere as he doesn't even know if he is in leading position. Checking the river would be the right move. But if he bet "big" (as in the $.78 his opponent would have left), and hypothetically his opponent had more chips... he would have normally gotten called, but since his opponent was a donk, he would have raised his "big" bet and lost even more money.

Moral of the story, the man played his hand very well, was just an unfortunate situation, and I am sure Mickmurr felt uneasy on the hand after the flop, and accepted the possibility that he may lose the hand. It's just the nature on which he lost on was disheartening.

So your saying, essentially, that it was fine because the hand happened to turn out that he lost?

Your saying the right move on the turn was not to put more money in the pot even though the villain is most likely going to lose?

I don't understand your reasoning. This is exactly results oriented thinking.

You have to consider what the odds are, what the range the opponent has, and not focus on the fact that you lost the hand.
 
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Talk about playing poorly.Here is 1 to look at.This guy wasn't never gonna fold starting from preflop.This is why its hard to 3bet on FullFlush.He had odds on his side after the turn but jeesh .He had nothing until then & risked everything getting there.
 
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