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SB (SB): 90 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 3)
BB (BB): 102.75 BB (VPIP: 48.60, PFR: 8.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 111)
UTG (UTG): 128 BB (VPIP: 24.11, PFR: 15.11, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 382)
Hero (CO): 111.25 BB
BTN (BTN): 28.5 BB (VPIP: 55.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Dealt to Hero: Ah Qd

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, SB calls 8.5 BB, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop (28 BB, 3 players): Qs 5h Qh
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 20 BB, SB raises to 40 BB, UTG calls 40 BB, Hero calls 20 BB

Turn (148 BB, 3 players): 9d
SB checks, UTG bets 25 BB, Hero raises to 62.25 BB and is all-in, fold, UTG calls 37.25 BB

River (272.5 BB, 2 players): 3c
UTG shows 5c 5d
(Full House, Fives full of Queens)
(Pre 54%, Flop 77%, Turn 84%)

Hero mucks Ah Qd
(Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 46%, Flop 23%, Turn 16%)

UTG wins 254.5 BB
 
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Should of jammed flop after you bet and SB raised and then UTG calls, just jam there and chalk it up as a cooler.

Nothing you did made you lose, MAYBE raise bigger pre. When you 3 bet pre try to make it 10-12BB raise but I think the 55 is calling either way.

It would also be nice to know if this is micros or $1/$2 ya know?
 
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i don´t know what info you have on villain but i don´t think AQo is hand to reraise,

the rest of the hand is just bad luck (vs one villain having in the flop trips with top kicker and the solo villain has a full and both in the flop is just very very bad luck),

if you didn´t hit the flop what would be your next move? a cbet? so better imho is to call preflop holding AQo unless you´re certainly sure the villain holds Ax (not AK), otherwise you are the underdog in most cases,
 
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You should be wary why your 2 opponents are still there after the flop. The SB check raises and yet the UTG check call still. I would be very defensive at the turn.
 
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This happens so many times...is it really possible to fold flopped trips or lower sets to bigger sets and two pair to a set ?? Pls advise.
 
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i don´t know what info you have on villain but i don´t think AQo is hand to reraise,

the rest of the hand is just bad luck (vs one villain having in the flop trips with top kicker and the solo villain has a full and both in the flop is just very very bad luck),

if you didn´t hit the flop what would be your next move? a cbet? so better imho is to call preflop holding AQo unless you´re certainly sure the villain holds Ax (not AK), otherwise you are the underdog in most cases,

One off from the button is not a good time to 3bet with AQo? What if he does not 3bet? The button calls and that entices the BB to call also since there is so much money in the pot, so now you have a inflated pot with 4 players in it. Not a good spot.

@akb1979, folding that hand at the micros would probably lose you money long term, think of all the times those people get it in on a flop like that with just an overpair. If this was higher stakes then maybe some people fold in that spot.
 
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If you're asking whether you could / should have lost less, I don't think so. Whether you call or 3bet pre-, it's hard to see not getting it in after flopping trips. You can effectively rule out either opponent holding Q5. As for 55, the opener has pfr 15, which means small pairs may not be in his opening range.
 
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"Did I play this poorly?"

No, imo
 
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Thanks for the responses, guys. I think I've figured it out. Had a bunch of thoughts on some of the comments:
Should of jammed flop after you bet and SB raised and then UTG calls, just jam there and chalk it up as a cooler.
Sorry but I might as well just turn my hand face up.
It would also be nice to know if this is micros or $1/$2 ya know?
All you have to do is look at the 3bet stats.
i don´t know what info you have on villain but i don´t think AQo is hand to reraise,
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if you didn´t hit the flop what would be your next move? a cbet? so better imho is to call preflop holding AQo unless you´re certainly sure the villain holds Ax (not AK), otherwise you are the underdog in most cases,
If you're not 3betting AQo here, I have no idea what you're 3betting.
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My cbet % averages above 90%, so yeah, I was definitely cbetting that spot.
You should be wary why your 2 opponents are still there after the flop. The SB check raises and yet the UTG check call still. I would be very defensive at the turn.
SB min raises 88+ or a flush draw, UTG calls with 99+, KQ, AQ or a flush draw.
SB checks the turn, so he's exceedingly unlikely to be strong.

UTG bets his pair or better, at which point, I have to decide if I flat and give the SB insane odds to call, or if I move him off the pot and take the risk that UTG held a reasonable hand preflop like 99. The fact that he r/c preflop from that spot with 55 was never in my head until I came back to the table to realize I had actually lost the hand.
Part of the problem with starting up again is forgetting the exceedingly wide range of your opponents at micros.
@akb1979, folding that hand at the micros would probably lose you money long term, think of all the times those people get it in on a flop like that with just an overpair. If this was higher stakes then maybe some people fold in that spot.
I actually disagree. I'm way more confident making that shove (as I did) at the mid/high stakes. What would I be afraid of there? 99. That's about it.
If you're asking whether you could / should have lost less, I don't think so. Whether you call or 3bet pre-, it's hard to see not getting it in after flopping trips. You can effectively rule out either opponent holding Q5. As for 55, the opener has pfr 15, which means small pairs may not be in his opening range.
Honestly, at the micros, I think he's more likely to hold 55 there than he is to hold AA...

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Nothing you did made you lose, MAYBE raise bigger pre. When you 3 bet pre try to make it 10-12BB raise but I think the 55 is calling either way.
This intrigues me...
I took a year off and now I'm starting a roll again. Is this a consensus? Do people actually 3 bet that big?
For instance, if I'm playing .1/.25 and someone makes it .75 to go, is the best course of action now to juice it all the way to $4? or is that just at lower stakes like .02/.05?
 
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Idk about $.75 to $4, maybe to $2.50-$3. I THINK the standard 3bet pre is 2x what their open was, so if they open to $.15 at 5nl and you 3bet, usually it is to $.40-$.45.

When you say "sorry I might aswell play my hand face up" Isn't that what you basically do by calling? What are you calling with there besides trips? KK?
 
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Idk about $.75 to $4, maybe to $2.50-$3. I THINK the standard 3bet pre is 2x what their open was, so if they open to $.15 at 5nl and you 3bet, usually it is to $.40-$.45.
That's 9x the bb, though. You're basically recommending I do either exactly what I did or bet less than that...
When you say "sorry I might as well play my hand face up" Isn't that what you basically do by calling? What are you calling with there besides trips? KK?
I'd be calling there with everything I open with that has any equity at all. The pot is laying me almost 6.5:1 and I can close the betting.

Look at it this way: If I have pocket eights and I assume I'm beaten by at least one opponent, I have two outs and 2 unseen cards to be revealed. Whether both opponent each has a queen or one of them is on a flush draw, I have a little greater than 7.5% equity remaining in the hand. Immediate pot odds are offering me 13.5% equity on my call. Now include the implied odds (which is essentially stacking one or both opponent, each of whom entered the hand with at least 90bb) and you have a probable net return on the call of over 200bb, possibly as much as almost 300. I've already invested 30bb and I'm being asked to call 20bb to win 300... pretty easy decision, I think.
 
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