Did I make a mistake with QQ?

Online micro stakes, full ring.
New game, no idea of players history.
QQ in late position.
2 players bet 2 BB's and I raised to 4 BB's.
1 caller.
Flop 10-x-x but straight and flush draw.
Villain had twice my stack and bet 4 BB's and I raised to 8. He re-raised and I shoved all in.
Although he called and I beat his JJ I have a feeling I made a mistake.
Opinions please.

risky, if straight and flush draw, but it justifies

You should be more specific about exact stack sizes, positions and some more things. But with this information the first thing would be for You to raise bigger preflop to something like 10bb not just 4. The rest i don't know for how many bbs you shoved but If your opponent is a loose player your shove is ok.

Need more info but as presented, you should have raised bigger pre flop (like 8-12bb).

Then on the flop I think it's ok the shove call. I learned in a recent session first hand how popular the "shove strong draws" move has become with a lot of players. Sure sometimes this villian shove is a set or even rarer an overpair flatted to the pre-flop raise but often if the villian is loose and aggressive and understands the odds, they'll shove things like straight draw/flush draw combos here.

I started to play DD all in to escape situatiions like that,but the result is not always possitive 60-70%.

If you won, you didn't make a mistake. It doesn't seem like the V wanted to bluff a flush or a straight, he just though he had top pair. He was wrong. It could've gone either way really, he could've had KK.

The 3-bet sizing pre-flop is critical. The last thing you want is to lose to some weak, speculative hand that might get lucky, but shouldn't have seen the flop in the first place. Happens all the time.

On the flop - you said it yourself, very wet board. Jamming with one over-pair (e.g., QhQs) against something like Jd9d on a board like Td8d6c is a coin-flip (50:50). Against a hand like JdAd is also a coin flip (53:47). Against JdKd is also a coin flip (53:47). Against 6d5d is a coin flip on the other side of negative (49:51). Even a hand like QdJd is a coin flip 53:47). Any all diamond hand is going to call.

Your odds are better against Jc9c (73:27).

Against 6s6h you're way behind (12:88).

So, LOTS of ways to lose. Most players with the cards mentioned above are going to make the call against your jam on the flop, but you only have strength against one of them (Jc9c). The question is do you really want them to make that call, or are you trying to scare them off? A blank on the turn increases your odds of winning a lot. Would you be better to play the hand out to the showdown?

maybe could be better to raise more preflop better void these situations.....

It was very risky to re-raise with the projects you mentioned and your raise from your position should be a little more maybe 5 or 6 BB. But in the end you had good results. Good luck at the tables !!!

Based on the information, I don't think it was "bad"...a bit risky, but there are some times you have to pick your time to accept the risk and QQ is pretty good.

Thanks to all for the feedback. Now comes the hard part, getting all these great thoughts to go into my less than great brain.
Thanks again.

Thanks to all for the feedback. Now comes the hard part, getting all these great thoughts to go into my less than great brain.
Thanks again.

its penny stakes they will get it in with top pair and sometimes draws

No, you had good starting cards. But, you could of went all in and had a better chance to win....

The short answer is yes. KK-AKs all could’ve been a possibility. More aggro pre flop, and depending on callers it’s always better to check oop on draw heavy boards. Very lucky but nh

Short and sweet. We dont have enough info on that actual hand to accurately know if you made a mistake here.

If you have 200bbs for instance and the villain covers you, what do you think his calling range of your shove looks like? Combo draws? Sets? 2 pairs? Overpairs? It sounds like in this case he had literally the only possible hand you MIGHT have been ahead of [you didnt tell us the actual board or cards, JhJd on a 10h 9h 8c board for instance might still be a flip.]


The point is that you want to get your money in when you are going to be called by a worse hand, OR fold out a better one. I dont think you have successfully done either in this hand. He may have had the ONE hand that is worse and might call, but that is pretty results oriented, because normally players dont punt off their stacks like that.

Quick edit: On the flip side of that, if you were short stacked you should have 3-bet to a size that would allow for a reasonable flop shove and just gone with it barring an ace on the board. [Which you might have, again you gave us very little]

NICE ANSWERES.....but this is the reason because I play no cash :-(

You should be more specific about the hand, especially about the other two cards. It is not the same thing if it was T98 board or T53 board. Both boards have straight draws, but with the second one, it is less likely opponent has one.
As far as the play, like everyone said, bigger pre flop raise definitely. After your 3-bet to just 4BB, you are giving player on the bb good odds to call, which is then giving even better odds to call for two players who already payed 2BB. With a strong hand such as QQ, you don't want 2 or 3 people to call and outflop you on some rubbish T high board.

Flop play, either raise more, or just call. Min raising almost always looks very very week, and is inviting for shoves. Once your opponent shoved, you ended up in a bad spot, whether to call or not. You did, you won, but I m not sure that people will always shove like that with an overpair, especially JJ (I'd say general shove range is either a draw to the nuts, or set/2pair on drawing boards).

I believe that 3bet or more you could start on the pre flop to scare a stronger opponent than you that were unsure, your chance increases, but it depends on the number of stack you have, if you are strong with many chips, it can be a good one. depends on the tournament you are playing for eg low buyin almost always you can not surprise too many players with 3bet

I totally agree with this one, nice post Bozovicdj.

I posted based on the player not considering the other two cards as significant and I thought it might be at the level that they are thinking, but I didn't want to assume they weren't thinking about the other two cards.


Of course, at CC we like to have as detailed blow-by-blow as possible. I think you are encouraging the OP to think about their analysis of their hand. They may have only posted the elements they were thinking about at the time because that was the limit of their current analysis and your post will help them think in a deeper way. Or they may have been in the heat of the moment and not able to note all the details.


Either way, I think your post is helpful. I think you were respectful, critical, and constructive.

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nice win i would reraised 10 bb before flop

If there is only 10 x x in the flop, you did not make a mistake. You could just bet that your opponent has the AA, KK, or even 1010. But you were only lucky to have JJ. Queens are very dangerous. They have to be played on the flop. In my opinion.

I think you played your card correctly. Do not depend on what card you have on your hand, there is always a chance that BadBit will happen and you will lose. In this situation, you were lucky, because you were stronger and you won, you did everything right. If you play QQ not so aggressively, then there is a big chance that you will lose to opponents with a weaker card. And if you raise too much, you can scare your opponents and everyone will make a pass.

2 opponents raise to 2bb you had to raise a minimum to 7bb you need to squeeze out small pockets and better play with someone 1 on 1! making a flat raise you gave a good chance to the bank your opponents, this time you are lucky but next time you will be punished

Good play. What else you can do with this cards. You must protect you hand. If I will have QQ in late position, i will go all in.

I think it's hard to make a mistake with hands like AA, KK, QQ. The most common mistake is to extract a few chips with these hands. Usually there are few hands that will get you then you should try to put all your chips in the cloth.

Depending on stakes, against Villain(which is quite active), I think you have zero reason to question your play! Like one person said I would have repopped him 10 12 BBs. Nice win though.

This 100%.


There is no absolute correct way to play poker, so whatever works, works.

No mistake in my opinion. I would've played the hand similarly, and would've been satisfied with the same result.

it is better to raise more preflop

it's poker and you never know what a player can have, but judging by your story, the opponent could have A10 or K10, but you could have run into a flush draw, or straight draw, but on the flop you were all in the winning position.

QQ is still a dominated hand, in principle raise reraise I see it well, but finishing all in on the flop I think was a too risky measure, since in the evaluation you could sense a pair in the opponent's hand but with luck it was just a JJ

sometimes it does not matter how we do it is important to win see the distribution of Daniil Negruan at 9 10 on the flop having a pair of 10 on the river, he made the German throw off a pair of kings. here you play on trifle, on chips, on average limits and it is not possible to force players in this way - it all depends on what game it was in real life with live money or electronic (chips or money is also important - since the ratio of sitting aponents is different in different tournaments and in different games)

good point