I folded QQ Pre flop

It was the 3rd time for me playing live poker and this situation happened..

9 handed I am in middle position like +4

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UTG - Shoves pre flop for $80
Folds to me with QQ $275
The guy who just shoved was bluffed off KK post flop last hand and he showed his KK face up.

Now I still have 5 people to act behind me and this guy was really bothering me he was talking crap to me the second I sat down at the table because I'm under 21 and was given the under 21 bracelet..

So I wanted to bust him bad, but two things were in my head...One is a odd thing to be in your hand but I've had so many hands where I would get dealt the same hand twice in a row and thought if he did pick up AA-KK and could be pretending to be tilt shoving hoping for callers..
2.) I have 5 people to act behind me

So I think and decide this, I have $0 invested in this pot, have 5 people behind me, and if this guy either has me crushed or if he doesn't have me crushed I figure that there is a better spot to bust this guy (He was reloading next hand and announced he brought 3 reloads with him) for me to be able to fold.

So I folded

After everyone folds the guy goes "that's how you play JJ"

AAHHH!

Was my play wrong?

Id need more info on the guy but that is a scary spot to be in.

imo snap shoving over the top all in all day long in this spot.

just me though.

Your play may not have been "right" but then again, he could have caught a jack on the board. I don't think a lay down here is a bad play at all.

i do not realize much about poker, but i think there are 2 kind of players: Agressive or non agressive.

For those who like to play in agressive way, you should had called.
Of course that for these people, there must be a lot of luck envolved to get far, because many times they will find better hands (either by bad luck or really good hands).

For those who like to be non agressive and only play for safe moves, you did well, because you didn't know what hand your oponent had, and in this way you went a bit far than if you had paid and loosed (does not seem to be the case to hapen)
You must not forget that playing this way, you will go farther more times, but hardly get a really good place. Nevertheless i prefer to play like this.... (not 100% tight, but shurly most tight than loose)

This is the eternal question in playing tight or loose... It will depend on your likes and luck

S3mper said:

It was the 3rd time for me playing live poker and this situation happened..

9 handed I am in middle position like +4

1/2

UTG - Shoves pre flop for $80
Folds to me with QQ $275
The guy who just shoved was bluffed off KK post flop last hand and he showed his KK face up.

better spot to bust this guy

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There isn't. Folding here is horrible.

I would call in this spot. I don't think this guy ever has you beat because if he has aces or kings I think he would make a raise utg to keep people in the hand and get more value. I would not re shove in this spot because if somebody has aa or kk behind you its an easy call for them but if you call and then they shove you know they have you beat and can make a fold.

Yes I think it was wrong, because with AA,KK,QQ you should always go all-in.

doomasiggy said:

There isn't. Folding here is horrible.

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Yep... What made you think someone else was gonna get involved with an $80.00 bet, two in it, on a 1-2 table?

Missed your chance.

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Just shove it, he is shortstack, you only lose to KK and AA, Ak is coin flip and you crush most of his range so just go all in, still 5 player to act but most possible is that they don't have a premium hand that beat you...

I think you did the right thing. In cashgames I only go allin preflop with KK or AA.

Hes frustrated, just lost a big hand, I wouldn't be surprised to see an Ax suited here by the short stack, I don't like your fold here, way to nitty, and I am kind of a nit. To the last player unless your only playing 1-2 your going to be easily exploitable.

TakMits said:

Just shove it, he is shortstack, you only lose to KK and AA, Ak is coin flip and you crush most of his range so just go all in, still 5 player to act but most possible is that they don't have a premium hand that beat you...

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Agree, you got him way covered and you crush most of his range in that spot. You're only beat by KK-AA and most likely no one will call your shove, so I think this was a very bad fold.

KK or AA are out of his range definitely. You want a caller when you hold aces or kings, in other words you want some action. The way this guy played, pretty fishy. I mean, he is not desperate or something, he still has 40 BB behind, which is to much for open shoving.
You should isolate the fish here, go over the top and shove. This way, you can get called only by someone with AA or KK which is very small risk.
BAd played.

would he open shove aa or kk utg? think u have to shove

S3mper easy call win or lose it would've been the right thing to do. Any time you go up against a guy like this and you get pocket Queens, you Gotta make that call. The only way you would not make the call is because he has a tell and you picked it up.

I agree with calling this was awhile ago and if I were to go back in time I would probably make that call, but I was right there was a better spot to stack him and I did =) for about 90BB's

Its a bad fold man... A lot of people would play exactly the same way he played with JJ, AQ, AK. and 2 of those 3 hands are being dominated. I mean whats the problem here... your opponent is puting you allin. By putting you allin, he has the luxury of having you fold a certain percentage of the time, making the equity value of that move so much better for him. If I were you I would have put him allin and made him fold a hand thats a coin flip every now and then AK, or maybe call with JJ!

Loki said:

Its a bad fold man... A lot of people would play exactly the same way he played with JJ, AQ, AK. and 2 of those 3 hands are being dominated. I mean whats the problem here... your opponent is puting you allin. By putting you allin, he has the luxury of having you fold a certain percentage of the time, making the equity value of that move so much better for him. If I were you I would have put him allin and made him fold a hand thats a coin flip every now and then AK, or maybe call with JJ!

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Couldn't make him fold he shoved all in UTG

so bad man your position is not that important u rcrushed by ont 2hands and flipping against ak it is a snap call, and the guy has just lost the last hand getting bluffed of KK and showing it. it s just me but i dont get respect for any showers thats just free infos. this guy is a fish and u had the opportunity to punnish him. what is the point to show that u r folding KK, u r saying to the table that they can push u out off a big hand.

Snap shove 40bb preflop after a tilting fold? I mean it's a tough call but you're really only worried if he has AA or KK and I doubt he just shoves...he's looking for value with those.

Henreiman said:

Snap shove 40bb preflop after a tilting fold? I mean it's a tough call but you're really only worried if he has AA or KK and I doubt he just shoves...he's looking for value with those.

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great feedback! If you had AA or KK you wouldn't be too worried about people. AK or JJ are worrysome cause It's not that hard for someone to catch... I would have called putting them on those. I mean his range is like AK, QQ (unlikely) JJ, maybe even AQ if hes a bad player. From the info given thats what he probably has and half of the time you would be owning him 4 to 1 with ur Queens.

To the OP, the biggest tip I can give is this. Dont get fancy. No matter the player always call there. If someone behind you reraised allin thats when you will have to think and if they are deep then you can possibly fold. Just learn from thiis mistake good luck.

Don't try to make hero folds... I mean even if the dude was a good player, he could still have an AQ or AK in that situation, or even JJ... so with those situations it evens out the chances. You should have called!

imo...you should've push all-in with QQ...just my opinion...or is it a coin flip? But sometimes coin flipping does works...GL!