I feel like i couldnt have played this any better (1/3 no limit)

I feel like i couldnt have played this any better (1/3 no limit cash game)

So here's the deal I bought in for about 110 bucks and found myself down to about 62 two hours into the game. Blinds are 1/3 and I'm getting kind of antzy. I'm first to act and I get dealt rockets..great hand in the best possible position I thought because the table overall was pretty aggressive (there was almost always a raise preflop). So I believed the right idea in this situation was limp in and I did. The 2nd guy(pretty tight player) to act raises the action to 12 bucks total. Around the table are 5 callers! I couldn't be more estatic. So what do I do? I shove my final $59. I get two callers from early position (2nd and 3rd players to act and they each had about 150ish to play with. Flop comes: 5,5,8 rainbow. Great flop because I put both guys on something like QQ, AK, AQ, JJ. You know, over cards. 2nd guy checks and 3rd guy bets 50 which gets the 2nd guy to fold. We both flip up and its my aces to his 98 of spades(seriously?) Turn is a 5 and the guy rivers an 8. Are you kidding me? That was a long drive home for me. Anyway maybe the moral is to not try and limp in with aces? Any and all comments appeciated.

don't limp in with aces. never ever ever.
He has 3 outs to the best hand discounting runner runners like 67 etc. So that means he will beat us 12 out of 100 times, don't forget that. Your opponents suck btw. I'd play on that table every day. Also get over the loss and don't play at those stakes if you get antzy after losing 40 dollars.

I think you bought in very short. Limp/raising is fine, however I think your way too short to do it. You can't blame 98 for playing his hand because he was getting a decent price, you just got unlucky. I would say your mistake is playing so short stacked.

Herbish1 said:

I think you bought in very short. Limp/raising is fine, however I think your way too short to do it. You can't blame 98 for playing his hand because he was getting a decent price, you just got unlucky. I would say your mistake is playing so short stacked.

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that sounds about right to me.. i would be interested to know how many chips the other people at the table had.. i mean if they all had $300+, then your $62 wouldnt have phased them too much, especially given that you said the table was agressive.. i prefer to buyin for the table max at a 1/3 table, and even better than that, i prefer to start at a fresh table so that my max buyin isnt dwarfed by bigger stacks that have been playing for a while.

That funny that the title says, "I feel like I couldn't have played this any better" yet the first thing OP tells us is that he limped with aces.

LOL

Gotta raise with aces.

atlantafalcons0 said:

That funny that the title says, "I feel like I couldn't have played this any better" yet the first thing OP tells us is that he limped with aces.

LOL

Gotta raise with aces.

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I agree, AA is always a raise, you got to get the guys with 98 out of the hand pre flop.

Um Hate to Disagree but really, Raise in this situation? Are you serious? Look, OP read the Situation Correctly? Table was Aggro, full of Callers, and everything went the way that he wanted it to go....No risk No Reward......

Now the only thing I must say OP did bad/Poorly was also try and Trap SS with AA...The only reason I'm saying this is really lets look at it like this

12+12+12+12+12+59+3 Correct? At this point in Time you OP had only 59 behind correct?
So then it's 59+62+59+59+59+59=358 Pot total Correct? Or was it just 2 others in the Hand...If it were to others only in the Hand then I miss understood OP....The only thing I don't like about it was simply put the SS Trap Move...Other then That I actually don't mind this move...Especially when we know there going to Raise us...

Hero's effectively a shortstack at that point, just over 20bb's. Open shove, you can't afford to have all the callers, AA will not play well multiway.

Naruto is correct, everyone has proper odds to call with just about any reasonable two cards, including suited connectors. If you open shove, you'll likely end up 3way at most rather than 5. Yeah, you'll only pick up $4 alot of the time as well, but better than having a multiway pot, you just didn't have enough money behind to put pressure on anyone to keep them out of the pot.

naruto_miu said:

Um Hate to Disagree but really, Raise in this situation? Are you serious? Look, OP read the Situation Correctly? Table was Aggro, full of Callers, and everything went the way that he wanted it to go....No risk No Reward......

Now the only thing I must say OP did bad/Poorly was also try and Trap SS with AA...The only reason I'm saying this is really lets look at it like this

12+12+12+12+12+59+3 Correct? At this point in Time you OP had only 59 behind correct?
So then it's 59+62+59+59+59+59=358 Pot total Correct? Or was it just 2 others in the Hand...If it were to others only in the Hand then I miss understood OP....The only thing I don't like about it was simply put the SS Trap Move...Other then That I actually don't mind this move...Especially when we know there going to Raise us...

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It was 12+12+12+12+12+3 which is 63 and I shoved 59 and made it 47 to everyone else and only got 2 callers..total pot was about 220 including the blinds.

I felt I had to limp in because I didn't have a lot of fold equity around the table. If I raised to 12-13..98 would have called me..thus leaving me to have to shove on the flop and he probably would have called with top pair. He doesn't lay down to many hands.

Zorba said:

I agree, AA is always a raise, you got to get the guys with 98 out of the hand pre flop.

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why?

Id Just make a standard raise, open shoving is too much imo. And you allow them to play perfectly, by folding stuff like KJ. Though at this table, your probably likely to get calls anyway, but we defo want our chips in the middle, we only have 20bb's. i make a std raise, and hope for action behind us. Sure our equity with aces drops as more players enter, but that's a risk im willing to take to double or triple up, to gain a stack of 60bb's is really good considering the table type. Though i wouldnt have taken only one bullet to begin with, Probably wouldnt have played at all if i could only afford that one buyin.

WiZZiM said:

why?

Id Just make a standard raise, open shoving is too much imo. And you allow them to play perfectly, by folding stuff like KJ. Though at this table, your probably likely to get calls anyway, but we defo want our chips in the middle, we only have 20bb's. i make a std raise, and hope for action behind us. Sure our equity with aces drops as more players enter, but that's a risk im willing to take to double or triple up, to gain a stack of 60bb's is really good considering the table type. Though i wouldnt have taken only one bullet to begin with, Probably wouldnt have played at all if i could only afford that one buyin.

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I also think my problem lied in with my buy-in amount. I only bought in for less than 40bbs. And the game had already started. Next time I'm going to buy-in for about 70 and see how that changes the game for me. I've only been playing for a little less than a year and haven't really realized how much the size of buyins can really alter the game.

In a table this aggressive, I wouldn't say that limping here is a 100% bad play, contrary to some of the previous post. Yes, as a rule, don't limp with your aces, but you have to play the situation, and if you felt you were going to get raisers, then the next round you should repop it. A situation like this joker reraising your shove with 89 is simple variance against an aggro table. You're going to have the best of it 60% of the time.

Also, buying with a short stack is fine if you know how to play with it....otherwise always buy in for as much as you can, so you can attack with a hand like this when you get it!

slickback97 said:

I also think my problem lied in with my buy-in amount. I only bought in for less than 40bbs. And the game had already started. Next time I'm going to buy-in for about 70 and see how that changes the game for me. I've only been playing for a little less than a year and haven't really realized how much the size of buyins can really alter the game.

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Buy-in for the max or you're playing wrong. Buying in for anything less than the max is just screwing yourself out of money when you're able to get it all in.

Right play, right situation,the guy called off another $47 pf with suited connectors after you limp reraised. Be happy you are playing with idiots like that and just do your best to know that donks need to win hands like that to keep playing. Your read on the table was right, you knew there would be a raise pf so the best wayto get the most money in was the way you did it, no matter what way you play that, for the amount of money left you would have lost your stack either way. Keep your head up, theres always another hand.

The nights we lose are the nights we learn most-I happen to love suited connectors.He most likely was calling regardless of what the other players did since pot odds were good by the time it got back to him. A 4 or 5 bet might have gotten him to fold, but it sounds like it was just his night.

slycbnew said:

Hero's effectively a shortstack at that point, just over 20bb's. Open shove, you can't afford to have all the callers, AA will not play well multiway.

Naruto is correct, everyone has proper odds to call with just about any reasonable two cards, including suited connectors. If you open shove, you'll likely end up 3way at most rather than 5. Yeah, you'll only pick up $4 alot of the time as well, but better than having a multiway pot, you just didn't have enough money behind to put pressure on anyone to keep them out of the pot.

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Wat?

Zorba said:

I agree, AA is always a raise, you got to get the guys with 98 out of the hand pre flop.

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Wat Wat?

This entire post is probably the most epic train wreck I've ever seen, with bad advice flying *everywhere*.

Also, this should be in the hand analysis forum [/nitpick]

you should be more patient

i was playing 25 nl today, i am on the button, ahead of me 1 limper and another guy very short stacked raises, i decide to go all in with AKo thinking the tight player will fold and the short stack might have anything since he is a very loose player, the limper, pretty tight player snap calls me, the raiser folds, he shows 89s and flops 67T i left after that.

Given your buy-in, (short), your stack size (tiny), I'm not sure I agree with your play.

I made the mistake of playing short stack poker for a very long time. If you don't have a respectable stack, you can't make people fold. And yes, eventually you'll want people to fold. If I have $600 behind, I'm in a pot for a small raise, and you limp/shove preflop and I have 98 suited to a big bet, I'm getting five cards for whatever your shove is. And that line is popular with low PPs on short stacks, or bigger ones (in my experience), so some of your range I'm flipping against. And hell, it's just another 7% of my stack or whatever.

The limp/raise works well when you're short stacked, and can continue to force your villain to make bad decisions with heavy-fisted bets (imagine the final punch from Battletoads on Nintendo), where your opponent gets his money in bad on multiple streets, thus making him the mistaker.

Supposed you had $300 behind and did the same move (limp, then make it $62) You're likely to get the same callers, in the same pot. Now with a pot of (holy crap, math break) $216 before rake and jackpot, you get to go all-in for your last $240, and anybody who calls you without a 5 or at least a 67 is making a mistake.

Don't play short-stacked man. Also make sure you have a proper bankroll. Variance with a short-stack can be brutal enough. I made the mistake of playing above my limits without a proper bankroll or stack size for a good stretch of my life and I lost a lot of money. (Maybe I just suck).