I feel like crap now.. I can´t win

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I start my day by getting it all in with AKo vs KQo on K-8-7 board with 2 hearts and he gets runner hearts and i lose with my 82% a 37$ pot. I keep playing and then this happens and i dont know how i could possibly get away from this...

http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/4382604

I taught i might fold the turn but i dont know... help anyone ?
Thanks....

PS. Poker sucks....
 
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Post a HH and you'll get more help.

Just a note - I love playing against guys who think TPTK is the nuts and want to get it all in. I will take your stack - eventually.
 
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Post a HH and you'll get more help.

Just a note - I love playing against guys who think TPTK is the nuts and want to get it all in. I will take your stack - eventually.

If you mean the AK vs KQo then i have to say that i had info on that guy that he was a donk + didnt have a full buyin, i knew i was ahead but what does that change ? i lose anyway... 82% is like a coinflip for me...

PS. how to post HH ? just copy from pokerstars handhistory ?
 
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http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/4382604

I taught i might fold the turn but i dont know... help anyone ?
Thanks.....

why are we c/r flop? just c-bet and unless you know villain very well then it should be an easy fold when he raises.
what range do you think he is calling with preflop? all small pairs are in his range...
so on this board what range is he raising? 2 pair doesn't seem likely, sets are very likely, maybe draw if you know villain well but not likely.

don't over value big pairs. getting it in 100bb's deep post flop is usually going to be wrong with just one pair.
 
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CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF ITS JUST A COOLER AND I GOT UNLUCKY OR I CAN GET AWAY FROM IT ? POKER SEEMS TO MAKE ME REALLY DEPRESSED NOW A DAYS, IF SOMEONE HONESTLY TELL ME IT COULDNT BE AVOIDED I GUESS ILL KEEP PLAYING AND HOPING FOR THE BEST AND HAVE IN MIND THAT I JUST HAPPEND TO BE UNLUCKY.
Now when i got your attention i hope you guys can answer this !
Thanks !
 
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The days when that happens to me and my emotions start running high,
I turn the computer OFF. There is absolutely no room for high emotions in poker.
If poker is depressing you then maybe it's time for a new HOBBY.
 
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Doesnt work !
Error: Can't determine input format @ flopturnriver
and No valid hand data could be detected @ handconverter.com

idk how to post HH from merge either but it would be helpful for all if someone could show you how.
seeing results could influence feedback. :ciao:


but seriously the board texture is so dry that villains most likely hand is a set. so unless you seen villain get out of line i still think it's possible to get away from it.
i didn't understand the c/r. if we c-bet, he 2-bets, we 3-bet and then shut down.
 
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the text under the replayer on the right. i deleted the river and showdown.
maybe a mod can put this in OP for you?

Hand Information
, 0.25 BB (6 handed).
Hand History converter courtesy of pokerhandreplays.com

Table Information
Seat: 1 vrm14 ($24.75) Small Blind
Seat: 2 remiksas ($45.57) Big Blind
Seat: 3 Hero ($25)
Seat: 4 sickpokahz57 ($29.68)
Seat: 5 balckbird888 ($28.11)
Seat: 6 saniaboiko ($15.8) Dealer
Dealt to Hero
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Preflop (Pot:0.35)
Hero****RAISE $0.85
sickpokahz57****CALL $0.85
balckbird888****FOLD
saniaboiko****FOLD
vrm14****FOLD
remiksas****FOLD

Flop(Pot: $2.05)
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Hero****CHECK
sickpokahz57****BET $1.19
Hero****RAISE $3.1
sickpokahz57****CALL $1.91

Turn(Pot: $8.25)
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Hero****BET $5.75
sickpokahz57****RAISE $13.5
Hero****ALL-IN
sickpokahz57****CALL $7.55

River(Pot: $50.35)
 
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CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF ITS JUST A COOLER AND I GOT UNLUCKY OR I CAN GET AWAY FROM IT ? POKER SEEMS TO MAKE ME REALLY DEPRESSED NOW A DAYS, IF SOMEONE HONESTLY TELL ME IT COULDNT BE AVOIDED I GUESS ILL KEEP PLAYING AND HOPING FOR THE BEST AND HAVE IN MIND THAT I JUST HAPPEND TO BE UNLUCKY.
Now when i got your attention i hope you guys can answer this !
Thanks !
read cheaptrix's post
 
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CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF ITS JUST A COOLER AND I GOT UNLUCKY OR I CAN GET AWAY FROM IT ? POKER SEEMS TO MAKE ME REALLY DEPRESSED NOW A DAYS, IF SOMEONE HONESTLY TELL ME IT COULDNT BE AVOIDED I GUESS ILL KEEP PLAYING AND HOPING FOR THE BEST AND HAVE IN MIND THAT I JUST HAPPEND TO BE UNLUCKY.
Now when i got your attention i hope you guys can answer this !
Thanks !

You are missing a basic concept of poker (wait for it).

Yeah you had a monster hand with KK - obviously only one hand could have you in trouble. But two cards is not a complete hand (not even close). Here's what you must absolutely know, recite, live by - THE FLOP CHANGES EVERYTHING.

The flop turns gold into shit with a flick of the wrist.

Apparently you suffer from a gambling malady - "winitallatonceitis" - I know - I too suffered from that myself. It clouds your judgement. You see KK preflop and have already declared yourself a winner at the river. I mean how can you lose, right? No A on the flop - you're still gold - MAYBE. Here's where you better have your opponent totally wired. 2 pair? a set? flush draw? AT of hearts gives him 14 outs - that's pretty good to crush your KK. You have to see things from their perspective. What could he have to cause him to act the way he is acting? Him calling the CR on the flop has got to be an "uh oh - what's going on here?" Respond with raise on the turn? I don't know about that - but when he comes over the top HUGE after that - well it's back to what do I know about this guy. Is he a bluff monkey? Is he prone to throwing money out there when he gets in trouble? Does he think TPTK is the nuts? Is he an aggressor on his draws? If I can't make a case for this guy to be a complete moron (and that would include knowing nothing about him) then I have swallow hard and wait for another shot. After all I only have ONE PAIR!!!
 
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You are missing a basic concept of poker (wait for it).

Yeah you had a monster hand with KK - obviously only one hand could have you in trouble. But two cards is not a complete hand (not even close). Here's what you must absolutely know, recite, live by - THE FLOP CHANGES EVERYTHING.

Haha very true, I look at it another way...
You look at pocket kings pre-flop. You are thinking...the pot is already mine, I've already won the pot, how long until I get to take the pot etc etc. In texas hold-em, you get 2 hole cards and 5 community cards (7 cards total). When you are looking at your hole cards, remember that this is only two of the 7 total cards. That's 29%!!! How can you be positive of a win when the hand is only 29% over?? That's like an NFL team declaring a victory at the end of the first quarter because they're winning
 
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Some great advices here, thanks guys, have to say mediablitz made a really good statement too cbet and if you happen to get re-raised you just have to swallow hard and make the fold.
Thanks again guys !
 
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If you know the guy is a complete donk and will happily go all in with KQo, then nothing wrong with c-betting and getting it all in. Why are you even asking this question whether you could avoid this spot? You got it in as an 82% favourite? Why wouldn't you be happy about that?!
 
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If you know the guy is a complete donk and will happily go all in with KQo, then nothing wrong with c-betting and getting it all in. Why are you even asking this question whether you could avoid this spot? You got it in as an 82% favourite? Why wouldn't you be happy about that?!

That wasn´t the hand i wanted to avoid, it was the KK vs 333 hand, i just mentioned that one lol.:p
 
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Doesnt work !
Error: Can't determine input format @ flopturnriver
and No valid hand data could be detected @ handconverter.com

Hmmm maybe it doesn't like the raw PS HH format. I copy paste from PT3 HH so maybe that's the difference. Do yourself a favour and get PT3 or HEM2 :)
 
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Hmmm maybe it doesn't like the raw PS HH format. I copy paste from PT3 HH so maybe that's the difference. Do yourself a favour and get PT3 or HEM2 :)

I can´t ! i tried the trial of all HUD softwares and decided that i would buy it if it works fine, BUT it comes some postgres error thingy which made me not able to use the softwares !:confused:
 
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simple, learn buy your mistake,move on rem ember what happened, 1 pair in cash games after the flop .does not mean a winner .
 
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I can´t ! i tried the trial of all HUD softwares and decided that i would buy it if it works fine, BUT it comes some postgres error thingy which made me not able to use the softwares !:confused:

I would try again and contact the software support team if it doesn't work, they are very helpful. The HUD is such a valuable tool it's worth persevering imo
 
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The right question to ask isn't whether you got coolered or could have lost less, but rather if you made good decisions.

When I look at it this way, the first question that pops up is: What makes check-calling the flop a good decision?
 
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Looks like a c/r to me. Just bet the flop man. And don't start looking to PAD for answers. Also do what MM said, get a poker database going so you can take a real good look at your hands.
 
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The right question to ask isn't whether you got coolered or could have lost less, but rather if you made good decisions.

When I look at it this way, the first question that pops up is: What makes check-calling the flop a good decision?

Exactly - kind of a high risk move there - again I am sure based on the fact you are still evaluating and ranking the hand preflop. Here's the downside of that big pair - you only have two outs to radically improve your hand. Just about any other way your hand improves (outside of a set) also applies to your opponent (pair on the board, straight/flush draws). I've been beat on KK more than once when a flush draw comes through for me and the villain is holding the A. You can probably figure that when it comes to improving hands, your opponent could very well have many more outs than you which means more opportunities to crush you as another 5 cards are revealed.
The upside of that big pair? Well that might only happen one out of 5 times - but when it does you have to be able to combine your skills of reading the board and your opponent to cut your losses and get the hell out of Dodge.
 
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That wasn´t the hand i wanted to avoid, it was the KK vs 333 hand, i just mentioned that one lol.:p

Here's the micro stake mantra you should reprat. Write it down and stick it on your monitor. Light some candles and chant about it to the poker gods. Whatever you have to do to confirm this for yourself.

When you are raised and ESPECIALLY check/raised on the turn at micro stakes, you better have more than a pair to continue.


The end. If you folded in every one of those situations (unless you're against a spewy donky), you will be making money. Every once in a great while you will get bluffed, but the VAST majority of the time you will be up against it.
 
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