Did I get bluffed? Did I fold right on the turn?

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Small Blind [ME] dealt 7 Diamonds & Ace of Diamonds
Preflop:
UTG Calls $0.05
UTG+1 Calls $0.05
UTG+2 Folds
Dealer Folds
Small Blind [ME] Calls $0.03
Big Blind Raises to $0.10
UTG Calls $0.05
UTG+1 Calls $0.05
Small Blind [ME] calls $0.05

Flop Comes: (9 of spades) (Ace of clubs) (Queen of Diamonds)

Small Blind [ME] Bets $0.10
Big Blind Folds
UTG Folds
UTG+1 Calls $0.10

Turn Comes: (Ten of spades) Total of 9AQT
Small Blind [ME] Bets $0.15
UTG+1 Raises $0.30
[So, at this point I'm thinking that he had to of put me on a hand, I've bet the flop and turn, and he maybe hit a straight, two pair, or a set. Either way he was limping the whole time to catch something. Maybe even playing J8. KJ off. 99 and slowplaying. I'm not sure if I should've folded but...]
Small Blind [ME] Folds
I usually give a lot of respect to the reraise. Not always but usually. I had a weak kicker. There were a lot of things that could've been beating me. Of course if he had a good ace he might've raised preflop but he still coulda had A9 or something. I just don't know. The problem with calling the turn is that he probably woulda bet big on the river, and I think I would've felt committed to call it. So I wanted to cut my losses. Would you have called the turn or did I make the right decision?
 
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The hand is not that really easy to read, but it looks like the pot is .30 on the flop and you donk out for 1/3. I'm not a fan of this play because you should expect to get raised a often when you do that and it sounds like that is not what you want.

On the turn the pot should be about .50 and you lead out again for 1/3 pot and get min raised.

I can't see folding here because we're getting like 6:1 on a call and it really looks like we've induced a raise here with our weak betting. I'm calling here and re-evaluating the river, basically folding to anything big unimproved but calling a smallish bet like the ones you had been making regardless.

I don't like to call raises and re-evaluate the turn but that is the spot you've created with the whole hand.

If I were you, I would raise to 6bb pre and look to isolate the limper and take it down with a cbet on the flop most of the time. Completing the SB is fine if the limper doesn't fold post, but I hate the 1/3 donk bet.
 
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I think my big problem there was playing with such a small bankroll. I really start to play terrible when my roll gets skimpy. And I do things like that. Thanks for the advice. I guess I didn't really think about that being such a bad bet.
 
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The hand is not that really easy to read, but it looks like the pot is .30 on the flop and you donk out for 1/3. I'm not a fan of this play because you should expect to get raised a often when you do that and it sounds like that is not what you want.

On the turn the pot should be about .50 and you lead out again for 1/3 pot and get min raised.

I can't see folding here because we're getting like 6:1 on a call and it really looks like we've induced a raise here with our weak betting. I'm calling here and re-evaluating the river, basically folding to anything big unimproved but calling a smallish bet like the ones you had been making regardless.

I don't like to call raises and re-evaluate the turn but that is the spot you've created with the whole hand.

If I were you, I would raise to 6bb pre and look to isolate the limper and take it down with a cbet on the flop most of the time. Completing the SB is fine if the limper doesn't fold post, but I hate the 1/3 donk bet.

aha! 25nl stars reg itt!

hate the bet sizing though, you need to bet more since loads of 2nd pair hands will call you for at least 2 streets.. assuming from the limpers they're gonna be passive so more than likely you can bet bet check if the board gets bad and fold to a bet since they will more than likely check back their weaker one pair hands.
 
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aha! 25nl stars reg itt!

hate the bet sizing though, you need to bet more since loads of 2nd pair hands will call you for at least 2 streets.. assuming from the limpers they're gonna be passive so more than likely you can bet bet check if the board gets bad and fold to a bet since they will more than likely check back their weaker one pair hands.
Good point about the second pair. I realized that since I play bovada that by tomorrow I'll be able to see what the other player's hand was in the hand history, so it will be very interesting to find out. I'll post it on here when I do.
 
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For me, with two limpers, and being OOP, you either take the initiative and raise or you fold.
 
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Completely agree with Tino, preflop with 2 limpers you need to raise, just no good calling, you need to take the initiative and then post flop you will have some idea where you are in the hand, folding is better than calling after 2 limpers.
 
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Raising pre- is alright, but I lean toward folding. There are 2 limpers, not 1, so you're less likely to succeed in iso'ing, you're OOP even if you do, and your hand doesn't flop particularly well.

Completing looks tempting because it's cheap, but the most likely case is that the BB checks, and you're playing OOP vs 3 opponents with a hand that still doesn't flop all that well. And if the BB raises, as happened, it's often not so easy to gauge if you're priced in, especially if one or both limpers call. The pot odds will look nice, but the odds of winning are also lower. .
 
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I don't mind the calling pre with the weak ace but you are looking for 2pr or flush so if you bet out bet pot and if he plays back get out
or c/c flop when turn comes c/r if he still around get out
just make a stronger bet, if he stays give up
 
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The hand is not that really easy to read, but it looks like the pot is .30 on the flop and you donk out for 1/3. I'm not a fan of this play because you should expect to get raised a often when you do that and it sounds like that is not what you want.

On the turn the pot should be about .50 and you lead out again for 1/3 pot and get min raised.

I can't see folding here because we're getting like 6:1 on a call and it really looks like we've induced a raise here with our weak betting. I'm calling here and re-evaluating the river, basically folding to anything big unimproved but calling a smallish bet like the ones you had been making regardless.

I don't like to call raises and re-evaluate the turn but that is the spot you've created with the whole hand.

If I were you, I would raise to 6bb pre and look to isolate the limper and take it down with a cbet on the flop most of the time. Completing the SB is fine if the limper doesn't fold post, but I hate the 1/3 donk bet.
I was right about the fold, but I'm glad I got your advice. It has improved my gameplay by about 50x. Because I was always so scared of losing my BR I would bet like that. Now I'm fearless. I bet aggressive when I have a good hand and I take in so much profit on micros. Also the other guy was right about second pair calling. He had second pair and two paired on the turn.
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Ax suited is not for hitting top pair. If you meet resistance post flop with a weak top pair hand it is time to fold.
 
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Ax suited is not for hitting top pair. If you meet resistance post flop with a weak top pair hand it is time to fold.
I agree. But it's difficult sometimes to let it go if you think they are chasing. I usually don't make the wrong choice though with a weaker ace. I have little confidence with a paired ace rag.
 
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Ax suited is not for hitting top pair. If you meet resistance post flop with a weak top pair hand it is time to fold.

This is good advice, imo. I'd have called pre-flop with the intent of looking for the nut flush draw. (though, reading these forums and some books recently, I know I'm too passive) BUT, I find myself in tricky spots at times by forgetting that I wasn't trying to hit top pair, weak kicker out of position. I'm sure its (yet another) leak in my game.
 
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