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Ok these are from my afternoon session today. I thought I had five there but it turns out there were only four so that's all you get!

Hand 1

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($3.40)
Hero ($5)
UTG ($3.50)
UTG+1 ($5)
UTG+2 ($5.12)
CO ($1.64)
BTN ($5.10)

Dealt to Hero A J

UTG checks, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.05, fold, Hero checks

I think I just checked here as I glanced at their stats they both had a vpip of 50+ (over a very small sample mind you) I thought, oh well I'm out of position and they will call anyway and I'll probably miss the flop so I'll just keep it small.
Obviously the wrong mentality as I am so far ahead of there range I should be thinking value value value!

Hand 2

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($3.24)
BB ($5)
UTG ($1.90)
UTG+1 ($4.92)
UTG+2 ($2.41)
MP1 ($8.44)
CO ($5)
Hero ($5.05)

Dealt to Hero K Q

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.10, fold, MP1 calls $0.10, fold, Hero calls $0.10, fold, fold

Similar mistake, different reason. I think I should have raised this from the button against two fishy types but I was busy making a decision on another table at the time...

Hand 3

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($5)
BB ($1.76)
UTG ($3.75)
UTG+1 ($5)
UTG+2 ($4.90)
MP1 ($8.37)
CO ($5)
Hero ($6.81)

Dealt to Hero T T

UTG raises to $0.18, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.18, fold, fold

FLOP ($0.43) Q J J

UTG checks, Hero checks

I would have liked to bet here as villian was being very nitty and only betting when he had hit. When he didn't bet into me on this flop he screamed out AK but I for some reason thought he may be setting me up for a check raise with AJ.... I guess I just acted to quickly and checked without thinking my options through.

Hand 4

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($2.52)
BB ($3.40)
Hero ($5.41)
UTG+1 ($3.77)
UTG+2 ($5)
MP1 ($3.32)
CO ($2.98)
BTN ($1.77)

Dealt to Hero J A

Hero raises to $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.15

FLOP ($0.62) A 3 7

BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, UTG+1 folds, BB calls $0.40

TURN ($1.42) A 3 7 3

BB checks, Hero checks

I think I should have bet on this turn as villian was very fishy and I should have been betting for value as he had shown up with Ace rag a lot and could also be on the flush draw. I have just been getting into a habit of checking all of my TPGK hands on the turn when I should really be looking into each specific situation...
 
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Good ones, especially given that there seems to be a theme to your mistakes: Passiveness. I'd guess that you're naturally inclined to be passive (thus defaulting to that when you're busy or uncertain), which means that it's something you may have to work specifically on. Suggested exercise for you for the next session: Do not check or call without first having considered the advantages of betting or raising. That's not to say that you should necessarily bet or raise every chance you get, only that you should think about that option first. So if you check or call, you're always doing it because you've decided that betting or raising would be inferior options.

(Don't forget to occasionally fold, too. ;) )
 
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Aha home work, I like it :) Even when writing those out I didnt really spot the theme amongst them so I'm glad you spotted it! Just going through my session again and I found the fifth mistake. I knew it was in there somewhere!

Hand 5

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($5.27)
BB ($5)
UTG ($4.53)
UTG+1 ($12.31)
UTG+2 ($1.92)
Hero ($5)
CO ($4.43)
BTN ($5.30)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.15

FLOP ($0.47) K A K

UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.40,

This one I was just in a hurry to get my bet out so I looked aggressive with it. I think my bet was too large. It is either a hit or miss flop so either he was checking because he missed or because he was going to check raise. My bet was just to see which it was, not to out price any draws or anything. I think a bet of $0.30 would have been better.
 
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Seems you've answered a lot of questions yourself :)

As for Hand 2, I would have done the same and flat called - it's a great drawing hand but you're really after 2 pair/flush/straight, and you could be provided with some great tracking opportunities.

As for hand 5 - he's flat called and then checked; I think that's a good size bet, but I wouldn't necessarily say you should be thinking about betting to see where it was. I would have made around the same size bet - you don't want him calling with ace rag, so price him out of it.

As for hand 4, I have to ask why you would check TPGK there?! There are now 2 flush draws on the board and villain has insisted on checking - throw out a bet of $1.2 IMO :)
 
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As for hand 5 - he's flat called and then checked; I think that's a good size bet, but I wouldn't necessarily say you should be thinking about betting to see where it was. I would have made around the same size bet - you don't want him calling with ace rag, so price him out of it.

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The problem is, in this hand a lot of these guys are calling with Ace Rag just because it's only $X.XX. They are often willing to pay off a better hand. That's why bluffing is almost impossible in the micro stakes unless you've been playing with the villain and have decided that he's a good enough player to fold when he thinks he is probably beat. It's harder for me to make money at .02/.05 nl than it is at 1/2 nl. Poker is fun!
 
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At the same time, a flat call UTG at micros is often a drawing hand like 89 suited, QJs, etc, in which case it's a very scary flop. I wouldn't expect him to call, and if he does just shut down on the turn unless it's a Q :)
 
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I wouldn't expect him to call, and if he does just shut down on the turn unless it's a Q :)


This is the exact reason to make the flop bet smaller. Here are the different scenarios.

We make the bet 40c, he folds and we take the pot.
We make the bet 40c, he calls or comes over the top and we fold, losing our 40c

We make the bet 30c, he folds and we take the pot.
We make the bet 30c, he calls or comes over the top and we fold, losing our 30c.

As you can see by betting only 30c we gain the same information but lose 10c less on the occasions that he calls/raises.

BTW I don't think there is any way I am going to get rid of Ace rag on this kinda flop...
 
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Fair points well made and taken on board, thanks for the reasoning :)
 
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This is the exact reason to make the flop bet smaller. Here are the different scenarios.

We make the bet 40c, he folds and we take the pot.
We make the bet 40c, he calls or comes over the top and we fold, losing our 40c

We make the bet 30c, he folds and we take the pot.
We make the bet 30c, he calls or comes over the top and we fold, losing our 30c.

As you can see by betting only 30c we gain the same information but lose 10c less on the occasions that he calls/raises.

BTW I don't think there is any way I am going to get rid of Ace rag on this kinda flop...

^^ this only if you'd bet 30c when you have KQ or AK as well. Altering bet sized according to your hand is no good...maybe there is a case for shoving river and value betting it less, it's still tricky I think.

I don't know how much that matters at micros, just don't get used to doing that...
 
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Good ones, especially given that there seems to be a theme to your mistakes: Passiveness. I'd guess that you're naturally inclined to be passive (thus defaulting to that when you're busy or uncertain), which means that it's something you may have to work specifically on. Suggested exercise for you for the next session: Do not check or call without first having considered the advantages of betting or raising. That's not to say that you should necessarily bet or raise every chance you get, only that you should think about that option first. So if you check or call, you're always doing it because you've decided that betting or raising would be inferior options.

(Don't forget to occasionally fold, too. ;) )

I have this same problem. Im not as passive as you but i still dont raise enough. this tho is some good advice. thanx
 
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Hand 1: seems like an obvious raise, you are bb and out of position. both UTG and btn called. raise to 25c.

hand 2: The call is fine, KQs has a lot of potential multi way but it requires a lot of thought to to plan out the streets I feel.

Hand 3: he bet 3.5bb, standard raise size for him? is he a reg? if he's not a reg and this has been his standard bet size I'd 3bet him. If he is a reg and this is not his usual raise size I'd 3bet lighter even than this and tag him according to his response.

Hand 4: I see no reason to play AJo UTG.

Hand 5: if you check behind on the flop you are inducing his entire range to bet on the turn. Would you c/c turn and river?
are you c/f this hand? b/f?

as is bet sizing is far too big 25-30c depending on player type and I would b/f as well.
 
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