Originally Posted by ScottishMatt
Are to talking about flatting a raise preflop or limping here? Your comments are fairly inconsistent and I don't understand what it is you are trying to get advice on.
Additionally, post a screenshot of your stats by position and we can tell you whether you are playing too wide or if you can afford to flat a bit more.
I mean flatting raises, I never open limp (but will call in LP after other limpers). On the button I will open wide (with a raise), with many hands.
Sorry if the post is messy, the question is more a general one, and relates to preflop aggressiveness, I will try and rephrase:
Common advice is to "be the aggressor", which means to 3-bet nearly all hands you want to play. (we already agreed that open-limping is a nono anyway). PFR close to VPIP, in other words. BUT I feel that if I do this with speculative hands in LP, get caller(s), and fire a cbet on a "safe" board and get called/raised/floated, I have to give up and have lost 22bb.
Instead, if I just call with that speculative hand PF, it will cost me 3bb and I might hit 2-pair or a decent draw that I can play aggressively IP, or get out cheaply if I miss (or I could bluff x/r an EP aggressor on a low board).
Why is the latter not considered a good strategy? I generally like the idea of trapping, and just guessing that if I played this way I would probably have a PFR about half of my VPIP.
How do the higher stakes players do it, when they widen their range? Are they always betting/raising PF or just calling to trap? If they call more, their VPIP/PFR gap will widen.