Originally Posted by Cafeman
You don't have to cbet 3/4 pot, and you don't even have to cbet.
First off, are we 3betting for value? I assume so. We expect to get called by worse aces right? So when we do hit an Axx flop we are obviously looking to slowly get the money in by the river. Now, does villain bet when checked to? We don't always have to cbet. We can x/c and x/f.
If you were at my table and I knew you were 3betting AK/AQ and then cbetting when you whiff and giving up, what would I do? Float your cbets and take it away on the turn. Or if I knew you were going to x/f I would always stab the flop. This means that you might consider x/c flops and x/c turns from time to time too. You know, for balance. You can't have a git like me calling your 3bets IP and taking away every pot cos you didn't hit TP.
Also, cbetting around 1/2 pot is fine in a 3bet pot on a good deal of flops.
Yes the 3bet is for value vs a potential steal. Aren't we raising here most of the time? Just trying to understand the previous posters arguing to call instead.
Yes I can see calls by Axs and the like, but not sure how much pressure my TPTK can stand oop as their steal range is so wide (although narrowed by them calling the 3b, it should still be pretty wide as they can play position).
On the flop, I can't say I always do this or that, but come to think of it I will cbet whether I miss or hit in this scenario (barring extemely wet boards), so shouldn't be too easy to read. But my take is villain rarely folds to a cbet here at all.
I just seem to encounter loads of problems here. If I hit TPTK, cbet and get called, maybe I x/c turn for balance and then face a potsize river bet, I am absolutely clueless. If I bet turn instead and check river, I may have to face a tough river decision as well.
If I hit and x/c flop I feel more often than not it is checked down and I win a smallish pot vs 99 or so, letting loads of dangerous drawing cards fall on turn & river.
If I miss and cbet, I am often called and need to give up (?) on turn most of the time.
If I miss and check, 9 times out of 10 villain will take a stab in position and I will have to fold.
Is it just that their range is stronger than I have thought, or are they having more trouble folding a 3-bet pot? Or are they using position all the time to bluff me off my hand?
Maybe just fold 'em pre, eh?