How to play Ak against a 3bet with 100bb??

what would you do?? 4bet? call? fold? shove?

in position, out of position? vs who? where did you open from? what are stack sizes.

hands would be helpful, because as you see, we need a lot more to help you.

OMGITSOVER9K said:

in position, out of position? vs who? where did you open from? what are stack sizes.

hands would be helpful, because as you see, we need a lot more to help you.

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utg raises 3x im on button i raise 3x original raise, button 4bets 4x we are both 100bb

any HUD stats or player info? Does he 3-bet a lot? if so, from where? Is he typically an aggressive player? Is he a looser player? hard to say what to do unless we can define the player...

raise from UTG should be way larger than 2.5x btw

6max/FR.. which limit?

if its 10nl FR or lower i'm shoving.

Chips4Buds said:

utg raises 3x im on button i raise 3x original raise, button 4bets 4x we are both 100bb

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OMGITSOVER9K said:

6max/FR.. which limit?

if its 10nl FR or lower i'm shoving.

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yes 6max jackpot table, 10nl i dont have a HUD its a player im not familiar with

Very tempting to shove AK but if he's a nit/reg then its probably a fold if he raised from an EP...

Important to bear in mind that while AK is a strong starting hand, you're almost always going to need to hit to win a pot that has been 4-bet preflop.

You need to know who you're up against. If the villain's 4B range is KK-AA, then there is no value in shoving. You're not going to push him off these hands, and you're always behind. Playing online is different to cash games; players are generally better, and due to more HPH they can play tight. I've seen people shove AQo in live games for £500: don't do this. If you think villain could be making the play with 10s+, then 60% you're at a coin flip.

This means you'll win roughly 30% of these positions with AK, if it goes to showdown.

That's how I see it, anyway.

You could also just flat his 4bet since you are in position, see what comes on the flop and see how he reacts to it. And if you miss your A and K on the flop and he keeps barreling then just fold and wait for a better spot

At $10nl 6max or similar play, vs. an unknown, I would be very tempted to ship it. You still have fold equity and are only dead vs AA. Like everyone else said, if the guy is nitty lean towards folding and maybe flat calling IP. Obviously if a 3rd person re raises, folding is mandatory. Also raising 2.5bb is often viewed the same as limping by many players, creating more difficult post flop play, and encouraging light 3 bets from aggressive players (who expect this to represent small ball play) pre flop.

why not flat pre?

thebigslade said:

...If you think villain could be making the play with 10s+, then 60% you're at a coin flip.

This means you'll win roughly 30% of these positions with AK, if it goes to showdown.

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i think you may be misunderstanding the meaning of the word "coinflip"

frozensprx said:

You could also just flat his 4bet since you are in position, see what comes on the flop and see how he reacts to it. And if you miss your A and K on the flop and he keeps barreling then just fold and wait for a better spot

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if i am getting this right, the 4-bet is something around 35-6 bb. you are not better off calling and seeing a flop, no way. either shove or fold. it should be noted that villain is 99% not folding there anymore, so we just need to estimate his range. if is it just QQ+ and AK, we are better off folding as we only have 9bb invested. If it is bigger, say including AQ, we can profitably shove. all this, however, can only be figured with previous experience, which we do not have in this situation. at 10NL, i think i would shove this against most but the nittiest opponents...

duggs said:

why not flat pre?

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flat for 3bb? do you ever 3bet? if yes, what hands exactly, if they do not contain AK? i can see flatting, ONLY if you expect someone aggressive in the blinds to squeeze lightly... only to shove over his dead money later.

Bear in mind if you have A/K, it is more likely that he has another hand such as Q/Q rather than A/A, but a raise from UTG and then he 4bets over another raise.. I am not going to shove here if I have no information on opponent, chances are that he is doing this with Q/Q+ and probably not doing this with A/Q. Therefore fold.

3bet/5bet gii seems like a pretty meh plan v UTG 4betting range, 3bet/fold sucks, i do 3bet alot but only in spots where i feel like i can actually be light or where i expect to get called by worse. ie if you think he is going to flat like most of his opening range and 4bet the nuts 3bet/fold is great. if you think he is going to 4bet and call a with range that we beat you are being optimistic.

i don't really want to argue, duggs, but this is 10nl. people don't 4bet light, unless they are huge spewtards - and that would be easy to notice relatively quickly. so it is completely normal to 3bet expecting a call/fold, and i don't feel the slightest bit bad about folding in a situation like that (which would be my default at this level, given the lack of reads).

if thats the assumptions we are making then thats fine, im probably assuming they are too nitty

I blew my bovada $16 satty tix with 30bb last night. mp ako me blinds 25/50. I raise to 150 I get rr by lp raiser to 250, I shove he calls. ak loses to qq. flop 8kq. if I called imsure it would of ended the same with that flop, I prolly said yes he's on aq. just hate wasting a satty tix gift so quick.

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