Dropsy1979
Rising Star
Bronze Level
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cotta777
Visionary
Silver Level
Basically give them a slap in chops and tell em to behave. might work?
or in addition you might wana avoid play hands easily dominated out of position because they are going to put you in alot of tough spots...
you really wanna be taking comman of your button from middle to late, being in a good spot to have them bet into you,
I would like also advise if they are raising alot pre flop, come back over the top with a freebet once or twice and kinda see where that leads you...
if they call are they more cautious on the flop?, or do they just fold etc pre, or donk bet into you.....
if they basically continue to donk bet, your just gona have to avoid playing them out of position and take what they chuck at you either floating with equity hands with the intention on barrelling when they miss any obvious draws high cards.
and basicaly letting them pay you off wen holding the goods
or in addition you might wana avoid play hands easily dominated out of position because they are going to put you in alot of tough spots...
you really wanna be taking comman of your button from middle to late, being in a good spot to have them bet into you,
I would like also advise if they are raising alot pre flop, come back over the top with a freebet once or twice and kinda see where that leads you...
if they call are they more cautious on the flop?, or do they just fold etc pre, or donk bet into you.....
if they basically continue to donk bet, your just gona have to avoid playing them out of position and take what they chuck at you either floating with equity hands with the intention on barrelling when they miss any obvious draws high cards.
and basicaly letting them pay you off wen holding the goods
Dropsy1979
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Hi, thanks so much for the suggestions ... something of which I try and I hope we meet again today at the table:-D So I approached a hand: I AhQh the CO, he Q4o to BB - I preflop raise 4BB, he called .... Th3hQd flop .... I bet half the pot, he made the call .... turn Tc .... I bet pot, he made the call .... 4d river ... I check, he check ... I understand that these donkeys no longer drop on the turn?
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sillymunchie
Visionary
Silver Level
but in the example you just gave, hes not an agressive fish
you was doing the agression, and he called you all the way to the river, he didnt even try to take you off your hand on the river he simply checked at the end, so he hasnt actually shown any agression whatsoever
you was doing the agression, and he called you all the way to the river, he didnt even try to take you off your hand on the river he simply checked at the end, so he hasnt actually shown any agression whatsoever
IPlay
Bum hunts 25NL
Silver Level
Why didn't you bet the river? Should of assumed if he only called that he did not have trips and that he probably had top pair which you had destroyed.
topper39
Rock Star
Silver Level
Aggro fish is one of the easiest type of opponent to play imo. I think to beat them you just have to play some reasonably tight solid game. And They'll basically beat themselves with their uncontrolled aggresive play.
Only thing I have difficulties with while playing these type of players are small (very often just minbets) donkbets which they keep firing on almost every flop and every street later then. It's not a problem when u made a hand, then you just took a value disregarded to their annoying min-donkbets. But when you don't have a hand you often have to go for raise on every street, which is very exprensive, and usually it's not even enough to make them fold their third pair. Do someone has got any idea on ideal play againts min-donkbets of bad aggresive players (especially on how to bluff them out of the hand)?
Only thing I have difficulties with while playing these type of players are small (very often just minbets) donkbets which they keep firing on almost every flop and every street later then. It's not a problem when u made a hand, then you just took a value disregarded to their annoying min-donkbets. But when you don't have a hand you often have to go for raise on every street, which is very exprensive, and usually it's not even enough to make them fold their third pair. Do someone has got any idea on ideal play againts min-donkbets of bad aggresive players (especially on how to bluff them out of the hand)?
naruto_miu
Legend
Silver Level
I know the bet type your talking about a .05 donk bet into a pot of .66, and then you usually raise and they call.. Once again on the turn they do the same bet size .05 into a pot of $1.30 and you than again either call/or raise (Depending on how you play vs these players), and on the river they once more do the same exact size of a bet (If this is the situation you've found yourself in, don't worry so have I and many more players
).The answer to playing this type of a player...Atleast for me is to not bluff them out (As bluffing them out is just pointless and you'd be spweing funds away in the process).
Your best option isn't to bluff them out yet to value bet them to death..
So when this Mong does his .02 bet into a .30 pot and you have TPGK than go at them as if you have a set.
Another option would be to call them down with hands that have a playability, more rather than blowing the pot up preflop in the process, just call them, so more or less let them do their donk bet out, and if you have like JQs on a flop of 9/10/A (They bet), you than either raise or call, on the turn they will do same again (And if you hit bet bigger), they will call, and on river value bet them (As they wont call a shove usually, from what I seen), but they will call up to 80% of the pot by than
lulu pk
Legend
Silver Level
I can not give you the answer i just bost from two tournaments against the aggressive fish.The first hand i have qq i 3 bet him pre flop ,hi call whit A7 the flop was 6 6 5 i bet ,hi go all in ,i call the river A i was out.The second tournaments i have kk i raise from the early position the fish call whit 33 the flop came Q 5 6 i bet hi raise mi i call the turn 4 i bet, hi shove i call the river,you can imagine 2.
I just don't have the courage to play play another tournaments today...
Good luck
I just don't have the courage to play play another tournaments today...
Good luck
topper39
Rock Star
Silver Level
Yea, valuebetting is not a hard task againts those type of playas. Their minbets doesn't even have much importance when you manage to hit some decent hand (they just slighty increase the pot which is good for us eventually).
But when it comes to bluffing, you would really never try to bluff them? There are lot of spots where it really forces you to make bluff. Like in your example with QJ on AT9, just imagine some bricks(like 2 and 3, rainbow board) will came to the turn and river and you let's say raised his donk on the flop and on the turn as well, now on the river he min-donks again.. Now what? Would you really ever fold? Normally, you'll have like one pot sized bet behind and considering average aggro fish range in this spot, I think it's clearly a shove(as you claimed that they usually won't call a shove, you can use the same thing while you're bluffing too). Problem is that their calling range is also a lot wider than it should be. Usually they are unable to fold any ace, from what I have seen, and sometimes they call ever wider. However, I just hate the idea of folding to .05 donkbet into like 5$ pot on the river. You can't just call it thought as you have almost no SD value with Q high. So, call is non-sense and it's same as give it up and fold (maybe even worse, costs 5c more, yea if he turns out J8 you'll feel like a hero hehe, but I still don't like it
), even though you have like one-to-billion odds there. Those kind of spots are real brain teasers for me.
remus_ny
Rock Star
Silver Level
Imho, I think the best is to see a lot a cheap flops. If you don't hit anything and villain starts betting > get out. Just wait for a good flop and you can get a lot of chips from him. And watch out with slowplaying
You can't play like this, because when you start to raise or reraise the fish will know you have something and he will fold.
triplesyxx
Rock Star
Silver Level
best strategy, be extremely picky with hands, when you get solid hands play aggressive and make them pay to chase
