How NOT to play AA

I had been playing fairly LAG and just showed down a junk 2 pair that I raised preflop with in position. This dumbass tries to trap me with AA

bodog History for Hand #766278226
Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007-06-18 21:16:43
Table 'Krems' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: bw07507 ($47.10)
Seat 3: Jordan RC ($4.55)
Seat 4: Acapulco89 ($25.55)
Seat 7: xxLetsRockxx ($24.30)
Seat 8: stark101 ($37.90)
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NEW HAND
Acapulco89: posts the small blind $0.10
xxLetsRockxx: posts the big blind $0.25
--- DEALING POCKETS
bw07507 is dealt [8d,6d]
stark101: calls $0.25
Flyintofancy has left the table
bw07507: raises $1.00 to $1.25
Jordan RC: folds
Runners4nuts has joined the table
Acapulco89: folds
xxLetsRockxx: calls $1.00
stark101: folds
--- DEALING FLOP [7h,4h,7s]
xxLetsRockxx: checks
bw07507: bets $1.50
xxLetsRockxx: calls $1.50
--- DEALING TURN [5d]
xxLetsRockxx: checks
bw07507: bets $3.00
xxLetsRockxx: calls $3.00
--- DEALING RIVER [2s]
xxLetsRockxx: checks
bw07507: bets $4.00
xxLetsRockxx: goes all in $18.55
bw07507: calls $14.55
xxLetsRockxx: shows [Ac,As], Two Pair, Aces and Sevens
xxLetsRockxx: shows [Ac,As], Two Pair, Aces and Sevens
bw07507: shows [8d,6d], a Straight, Eight high
Hand 766278226:
bw07507: wins main pot($47.95)
with a Straight, Eight high
xxLetsRockxx: is sitting out

Lets give that guy the benefit of the doubt and say it was PERFECT ! Perfectly misplayed that is.

The very idea of slow playing aces gives me chills! I can't imagine slow playing big pocket pairs, I always bet them, and bet them hard. I'd rather take a small pot then get outdrawn, and when you have 2-3 people in the pot, odds are you'll get out drawn.

bw07507 said:

I had been playing fairly LAG and just showed down a junk 2 pair that I raised preflop with in position. This dumbass tries to trap me with AA

Bodog History for Hand #766278226
Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007-06-18 21:16:43
Table 'Krems' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: bw07507 ($47.10)
Seat 3: Jordan RC ($4.55)
Seat 4: Acapulco89 ($25.55)
Seat 7: xxLetsRockxx ($24.30)
Seat 8: stark101 ($37.90)
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NEW HAND
Acapulco89: posts the small blind $0.10
xxLetsRockxx: posts the big blind $0.25
--- DEALING POCKETS
bw07507 is dealt [8d,6d]
stark101: calls $0.25
Flyintofancy has left the table
bw07507: raises $1.00 to $1.25
Jordan RC: folds
Runners4nuts has joined the table
Acapulco89: folds
xxLetsRockxx: calls $1.00
This is not a horrible move. You really only want to face one opponent with a pocket pair and he is more than likely getting it by just calling. It also hides his hand strength by just calling here instead of reraising.
stark101: folds
--- DEALING FLOP [7h,4h,7s]
xxLetsRockxx: checks
bw07507: bets $1.50
xxLetsRockxx: calls $1.50
I would have reraised here. He is only behind 44 and a hand containing 7x. Only hands that are playable here are 87 or 77. A healthy reriase here will push out flush draws with the 2 hearts and see if you somehow have a 7. He has to assume he is way ahead at this point. A flat check call here is ok here.
--- DEALING TURN 5♦
xxLetsRockxx: checks
bw07507: bets $3.00
xxLetsRockxx: calls $3.00
I don't mind a check call here since he has not improved and trying to keep the pot small. He is either way ahead or way behind so keep the pot small.
--- DEALING RIVER 2♠
xxLetsRockxx: checks
bw07507: bets $4.00
xxLetsRockxx: goes all in $18.55
This is the only place where I think he might have made a mistake. You continue to fire bullets even though he has called on the flop and turn. A monsterous reraise is only going to be called by a hand that has him beat with that board. He has been playing textbook small pot poker to this point. Why go crazy now? I probably would have just called here to see what you kept firing with, especially if you have been playing a LAG style.
bw07507: calls $14.55
xxLetsRockxx: shows [Ac,As], Two Pair, Aces and Sevens
xxLetsRockxx: shows [Ac,As], Two Pair, Aces and Sevens
bw07507: shows [8d,6d], a Straight, Eight high
Hand 766278226:
bw07507: wins main pot($47.95)
with a Straight, Eight high
xxLetsRockxx: is sitting out

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How do you ever put someone in middle position raising on a hand like 86 suited. I think he played it ok till the river. How many players looking at it from his position would have had this hand end any other way. Easy to laugh when you see he is beat on the turn. I would say over 50% of players would have had all their money in by the end here.

This is just one of those hands that LAG live for to boost their bankrolls inbetween folding when their raises with crazy hands don't work.

I agree with titans, raising all-in on the river is a very bad mystake, he could only have been paid with hands that were beating him and no other hand would have paid him.
A very bad mystake indeed...

rob9827 said:

what do i know lol i lose money

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rob9827 said:

u dont get rerasied preflop play with caution

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rob9827 said:

if u get rasied with them preflop just push in

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rob9827 said:

aces are very tricky

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Hate to rain on your parade rob. This will not get you into the freeroll.
Try 15 quality posts, not spacing one lucid thought over 4.

rob9827 said:

what do i know lol i lose money

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Making 5 posts instead of one isn't going to make you popular here.

You got lucky on an inside straight draw. Besides the all-in on the river, he played well. He just made a horrible decision on the river.

titans4ever said:

How do you ever put someone in middle position raising on a hand like 86 suited. I think he played it ok till the river. How many players looking at it from his position would have had this hand end any other way. Easy to laugh when you see he is beat on the turn. I would say over 50% of players would have had all their money in by the end here.

This is just one of those hands that LAG live for to boost their bankrolls inbetween folding when their raises with crazy hands don't work.

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I agree with all this Titans says, including what he put in bold on his reply. If there is a scenario where its ok to trap with AA, this certainly qualifies for it. Think about it, table is 5-handed, he's in the BB, only 1 weak limper left to act. I don't mean any offense to you with this bw, we're only discussing this because you posted it and I'm glad you got his whole stack, but this play from villain is fine, its not a dumbass play, trust me. In 5-handed tables usually players tend to overplay a flop that gives them top pair, and that's what he is hoping for with his smooth call.

On the flop he should have check/raised to protect against draws, but I give him the benefit of the doubt because this flop was not at all bad for him with a pair on board, he no longer will lose to 2 pair if you happen to make that. The smooth call becomes very wrong though for what he did later in the hand, the shove on the river. If you're going to do that, meaning put your whole stack in play, then do it when you're ahead, not at the end of the hand when someone could possibly catch up w/o you having improved.

Now, going back to your comment about trapping with aces, players like this shouldn't do that, because its a great move but it requires discipline. I know that this board looks harmless, and as pointed out by Titans, its kind of hard to put someone who raises in MP on 86s, but still, as he added, a plain call on the river to see what has kept you firing at this pot, was the right move. The 86s was hard to guess, but a 7 wasn't impossible. That's the discipline you need to pull off a play like this.

Anyway, glad you got his stack cracking his aces. Good job.

IMO, where the aces totally lost control of this hand was on the flop; a BIG reraise was the play here, otherwise yoou don't have near enough info to play cat and mouse. If he pushes here, I don't see how you could continue with nothing but the inside draw. The play at the river was horrible, as he only gets called by a hand that beats him, and can't beat anything but a lower 2 pair. It's great twhen you can crack aces like this, but you're right, he really beat himself in this case.

sounds like you just sucked out on him,he probly already had you pegged as loose and was just letting you dig the hole but you hit your 4 outer. he had to be careful with any pair on board with a loose player , but since you raised preflop i would put you on two high cards or pair and would have put all the chips in preflop or on the flop . but im guessing you would have called and and won anyway right. im not a great player so im just giving my opinion. i need to learn more about LAG players they seem to always be winning and betting anything and everything. i end up just folding most ok hands like a wimp and they steal and steal from me, but im just thinking of them as my way to double up soon as i get a hand.

but im guessing you would have called and and won anyway right.

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Yea im definately calling a push preflop with 8 high or a push on the flop with only an inside straight draw, are you joking?

LAG is a position game. be careful.

On the flop he should have check/raised to protect against draws, but I give him the benefit of the doubt because this flop was not at all bad for him with a pair on board, he no longer will lose to 2 pair if you happen to make that.

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BINGO

I think the bettor thought it was sweet because he had aces and probably thought about the percentage AA wins against any two cards heads up and figured he'd just go with those percentages that the likely hood of him losing was slim.

Well the chances were slim, but he obviously wasn't paying attention to how you were playing, either that or his read on you was way off because he didnt even attempt to protect his hand at any point

bw07507 said:

Yea im definately calling a push preflop with 8 high or a push on the flop with only an inside straight draw, are you joking?

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ya i am just being a smartass , sry. people do it to me though. lol