How much should be the optimum river bet here?

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pokerstars Zoom Hand #79540713385: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2012/04/27 16:08:51 ET
Table 'Tamariwa' 6-max
Seat 1: GSM555 ($10.40 in chips)
Seat 2: Billa_tx ($10.05 in chips)
Seat 3: freedumSTARS ($15.15 in chips)
Seat 4: johorst ($16.89 in chips)
Seat 5: Blind0ne ($14.95 in chips)
Seat 6: SNG 74 ($9.20 in chips)
Billa_tx: posts small blind $0.05
freedumSTARS: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Billa_tx [Js Ts]
johorst: folds
Blind0ne: folds
SNG 74: folds
GSM555: raises $0.20 to $0.30
Billa_tx: raises $0.60 to $0.90
freedumSTARS: folds
GSM555: calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [8d 9c 9s]
Billa_tx: bets $1
GSM555: calls $1
*** TURN *** [8d 9c 9s] [Qs]
Billa_tx: checks
GSM555: checks
*** RIVER *** [8d 9c 9s Qs] [6c]
Billa_tx: bets $3.10
GSM555: folds
Uncalled bet ($3.10) returned to Billa_tx
Billa_tx collected $3.72 from pot
Billa_tx: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.90 | Rake $0.18
Board [8d 9c 9s Qs 6c]
Seat 1: GSM555 folded on the River
Seat 2: Billa_tx (small blind) collected ($3.72)
Seat 3: freedumSTARS (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: johorst folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Blind0ne folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: SNG 74 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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You are almost never getting called by somone you beat here. Somone with a Q would likely have raised you on the turn or folded the flop, overpairs (AA, KK)would likely raise the flop or 4bet pre-flop and any others who give action would likely have a full house.Your opponent likely had an A or small pp.
Checking to induce a bluff might be better.
 
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You should give reads here. What's the reason for the 3-bet pre?

Bet the turn and bet the river.

Because no worse hand would have calles here,whereas if i check,i may induce a bet.

No. This is pure fish thinking. Do you know you have a straight? The number of hands he'll call with but won't bet himself (assuming this is a typical micros player) outnumber the hands he'll bluff with by something close to infinity.
 
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You should give reads here. What's the reason for the 3-bet pre?

Bet the turn and bet the river.



No. This is pure fish thinking. Do you know you have a straight? The number of hands he'll call with but won't bet himself (assuming this is a typical micros player) outnumber the hands he'll bluff with by something close to infinity.

Can you make it more simple for me,please?What if i bet turn and get raised?Should i go on there?
 
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I don't like betting the turn, there's already an overcard on the turn, what do you think he's calling the turn with? I think there's alot more in his range that's likely to try to bluff a river, than is going to call the turn, that we're in front of.
 
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I don't like betting the turn, there's already an overcard on the turn, what do you think he's calling the turn with? I think there's alot more in his range that's likely to try to bluff a river, than is going to call the turn, that we're in front of.

He called a preflop 3-bet and a flop bet, he could easily call a turn bet.
 
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I don't like betting the turn, there's already an overcard on the turn, what do you think he's calling the turn with?

The same hands he called with pre and on the flop.

I think there's alot more in his range that's likely to try to bluff a river, than is going to call the turn, that we're in front of.

No. First you're worried that his range is too weak and then you're concerned that his calling range beats us? Do you realize we have a straight?
 
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The re-raise before the flop wasn't the best option, a smooth call would have done better. Also, if you're going to bluff, you should do it each card. Waiting until the river gives away the fact that you are bluffing. Luckily, he didn't have anything or you would have lost a bit.
 
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The re-raise before the flop wasn't the best option, a smooth call would have done better. Also, if you're going to bluff, you should do it each card. Waiting until the river gives away the fact that you are bluffing. Luckily, he didn't have anything or you would have lost a bit.

Do you realize we have a straight?

We hit a straight on the turn in a 3-bet pot, the fact that we can't get all-in on the river without a massive overbet and get no value for our hand means we screwed up badly somewhere.
 
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Do you realize we have a straight?

We hit a straight on the turn in a 3-bet pot, the fact that we can't get all-in on the river without a massive overbet and get no value for our hand means we screwed up badly somewhere.

I suppose you don't like that either?

Seat 5: Michael_M112 ($41.45 in chips)
Seat 6: Bierpokkel ($27.39 in chips)
KOonTheRiver: posts small blind $0.05
dwerrrr: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Billa_tx [9d 9h]
Billa_tx: raises $0.20 to $0.30
Michael_M112: calls $0.30
Bierpokkel: folds
supersjuffer: folds
KOonTheRiver: folds
dwerrrr: calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [Kh Jh 9c]
dwerrrr: checks
Billa_tx: bets $0.60
Michael_M112: folds
dwerrrr: calls $0.60
*** TURN *** [Kh Jh 9c] [Th]
dwerrrr: checks
Billa_tx: checks
*** RIVER *** [Kh Jh 9c Th] [3d]
dwerrrr: checks
Billa_tx: bets $1.20
dwerrrr: calls $1.20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Billa_tx: shows [9d 9h] (three of a kind, Nines)
dwerrrr: mucks hand
Billa_tx collected $4.35 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.55 | Rake $0.20
Board [Kh Jh 9c Th 3d]
Seat 1: supersjuffer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: KOonTheRiver (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: dwerrrr (big blind) mucked [Td Jd]
Seat 4: Billa_tx showed [9d 9h] and won ($4.35) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 5: Michael_M112 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Bierpokkel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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