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A scenario that seems to happen a lot goes something like this. One limper(so obviously passive) hero pops it up with AJ. limper is only caller oop. Flop is single high card flop with a flush draw. I cbet he calls. Turn completes the flush, I barrel just because I usually do and he folds.

So i need a better reason for barrelling than I currently have. I barrel a second high card(better if its an even higher card). I tend to barrel a lot of flush cards if I have a four flush and sometimes when I don't. I'm almost certain I barrel too much. So when is really appropriate to barrel against typical micro players (other than against stations when you shouldn't barrel and might not even cbet) or any kind of player for that matter.
 
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A scenario that seems to happen a lot goes something like this. One limper(so obviously passive) hero pops it up with AJ. limper is only caller oop. Flop is single high card flop with a flush draw. I cbet he calls. Turn completes the flush, I barrel just because I usually do and he folds.

So i need a better reason for barrelling than I currently have. I barrel a second high card(better if its an even higher card). I tend to barrel a lot of flush cards if I have a four flush and sometimes when I don't. I'm almost certain I barrel too much. So when is really appropriate to barrel against typical micro players (other than against stations when you shouldn't barrel and might not even cbet) or any kind of player for that matter.

when they are likely to fold a good % of their range to a turn barrel, or your percieved range makes its hard for them to continue, its also good to barrel turned equity.
 
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I would say keep it up until you feel like you're getting caught to often. If that starts to happen then try to figure out why, in what spots, and by whom you are getting caught and adjust. Don't stop winning because you feel like you're winning to often.
 
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So "scary cards"(like high cards) makes my perceived range stronger relative to theirs which is essentially why they fold. Picking up outs on the turn gives me more equity and I want a big pot so I can get the money in when my draw hits while giving them odds to call. Are you ever barreling just because they seem weak(based on a read)? I guess thats kinda the same thing as using my perceived range's strength to make them give up. I've found that long pauses are usually either monsters considering slow playing or stubborn mid pairs. Often I'm just using that as my reason to barrel against single table rec players but I can't really use HEM to check the profitability of read specific bets.
 
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when they are likely to fold a good % of their range to a turn barrel, or your percieved range makes its hard for them to continue, its also good to barrel turned equity.
do you really think that most players think about perceived range at micros ?
" its also good to barrel turned equity" i think this is great advise , wether its a turned card that we hit or any draw im barreling a good percentage of the time, against fish/passive players barreling turned equity is ev+ as we are now betting for value but i would really try to bluff them. Against more advanced players we are either betting to make a better hand fold or for value and this is where our perceived range comes in to play as thinking players will take in consideration our range . against aggressive oponents i tend to barrel less on the turn for pot control reasons or bet small to induce a bluff.
When barreling the turn you should think about why you are doing it , value or bluff? who is your oponent ? and adjust your bet sizing accordingly.
Also barrel less often oop.
 
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