re: Poker & how to make most outta hands
The way you have to look at it is if you have a Good Hand,
is it better to say I have a good hand but what if they have a Geat Hand.
If they folded to you, the chances are there were not many players that even had cards worth playing, let alone calling.
If you play a Tight Agressive Game Players tend to give you respect
when you do put your chips in the pot.
Consider the position you are playing those 'Good Hands' also...
If you are in the BB or UTG (under the Gun) first to act and raising 3-5X the Big Blind, then naturally everyone will usualy fold to you.
Especially if you only play 1-2 hands per orbit of the Button.
If you want action on your 'Good Hands' and play a solid game there is nothing wrong with limping if there are only 2 other players in the Pot.
Mike Caro talks about Playing Agressive Maniacs like this..
Flat calling their raises with A-A, K-K, Q-Q, A-K suited
If you hit on the Flop then it is Gold..keep calling or Check-Raise to gain maximum Pot Potential.
If the Flop Misses you then you have to fold to agression that is unlikely to hit your hand. (ie. Paired Board, 2-Suited Flops against your cards)
There are Some Good Strategy Guides
at the Top of the Forum Tabs
And some really Quality Posts about playing Pot Odds
/Implied Odds and how to calculate whether it is 'mathematically' Correct to make a call.
Figure out how many outs you have to make your hand to how many cards are left to come to how many cards are gone out of the Deck.
And how many players are still involved in the Action. And what could they have that is keeping them in the Pot.
Now there are 9 players
at the Table and 6
have folded Pre-Flop.
-Leaving 3 Players
in the Pot to see the Flop.
Say you have A♥-K♥
The Flop comes --- 9♥ - 10♣ - 7♥
You have to determine how many cards are in a suit (13)
You have two and there are 2
on the Board. - That leaves 9
meaning 'Implied'. Out of a Deck of 52 now minus 18 cards dealt
at the start of the new Hand. That leaves 34
Cards left in the Deck.
So now there is perhaps 9/34
that are hearts. Consider the odds.
26% chance that another Heart will hit with one card to come on the river. So with 2 cards to come you have approx. 52% chance to hit your card.
SO its a coin flip really! If you think that some of the Hearts in the Deck have been folded then that % rate drops, and the potential that your opponents have One or both cards suited in Hearts also. Which lowers the probability even more.
~Now according to the right play, you need to consider how your opponents play, are they Bullies, or are they Cautious? Do they Trap, or do they Bluff? ~
~So are you going to Bet, Check, or Raise this Flop? or Re-Raise if someone put in a Bet before you.
Now Remember you want to get value IF
you hit another Heart
on the Turn or River.
That brings it to Expected Value
- So say you are First to Act after the Flop. How are you going to Play this hand?
- If the Players after you are cautious then you Bet 1/2 the Pot, if they fold then you get the Pot and did not Lose! If they call then you are getting +EV and Pot Odds.
- If they are Agressive, then you check and see where they are at.
- Remember there is a potential straight on the Board not to mention a potential Straight Flush-Draw.
- If they Bet 1/2 or Pot Size you still have Odds to Call as long as you are not going to go broke (a consideration).
Flop was 9♥ 10♣ 7♥
So now the Turn comes down J♠
this is also another scare card BUT
it is also giving you extra outs. Hitting a Q in the river will give you the Nut Straight and Hitting a Heart gives you the Nut Flush.
This gives you the Implied 9 Hearst left + 4 Queens as outs = 13 with one card to come
So there is another consideration that has to happen.
- Who bet what and how much? What the result was after the Flop?
- How Many 'outs' do you still have?
- How much of a Stack do you have?
- What are your Opponents Holdings? And their Stack Size?
- How the Betting is going to stimulate the Action.
- What are your Opponents Card Range & Style of Play? LAG/TAG
Surely anyone in the Pot still must have either a flush draw Q-high, or a Straight (perhaps 8-Q or 6-8) and maybe even 2 pr. (9-10) and and either of them may be holding 2 Hearts (8-Q) or One with (10h)
Or even yet, 10-8 of hearts for the Straight flush draw. And a stright as a hand.
Either Opponent may well both be holding straights - 8-Q or 7-J and very likely if they Bet or Called on the Turn, and if they pushed All-In then for sure they have the 8-Q straight and want you OFF
So Do you make the call?? You Already have 3/4 of your Stack in the Pot and the Action is on you to Complete the round of Betting.
This is where you need the Skills to 'Read' Opponents, and also Know your Implied Odds, and Pot Odds, and Expected Value (EV) if you do in fact hit your hand.
If your Opponents have their hand made (ie.Straight) and you are chasing is it mathematically correct to Call? If your Opponent has 2 pr. then they only have 4 outs to make a Full-House beating your flush or straight.
Considering that you still have potentially 12 outs to have the Best hand,
It is still Mathematically Correct to make that call. But still your choice.
Now the River Hits Q♥
and you have the Nuts....Flush Ace High and also dominating with the straight Broadway thus allowing your opponents to believe they have the 'Best Hand' and also having some of their outs in your hand. They both hit straights - Fireworks! Huge POT!
- Opponent 1 Shows K♠Q♠ Nice Hand! (Sorry Pal! )
- Opponent had what we thought Q♦8♥ -Nice Hand but..
- You Win Because you played the hand with the proper odds.
- Take Down a Pot and Tripled up and busted one Player Out!
~Back in the Real World if you have these probabilities then you should be able to win at least 60% of the time. By having a Good read on your Opponents and what 'Range' of cards they play and how often they play them and how they Bet gives you enough information to Catch them and Beat them and Take their Chips.~
~*The math may not be 'exact' but it gives you the concept and why it is an Important factor to playing Poker with more Dignity!~