How long should it take to beat 2NL?

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I'm struggling on 2NL right now.

After a huge downswing, and some serious losses from the first 15k hands, I deposited more cash after tilt made me lose all of my bankroll.

I'm playing much better now after correcting many of my rookie mistakes (it is just my first month of playing). I'm winning buy-ins, but I'm losing them as well.

To make a long story short, it feels like I'm sometimes taking 2 steps forward, 2-3 steps back.

My losing days are so rough it's getting to me, and they're happening more often than my winning days.

I added $40. I got up to $48, and then went down to $28 over the next few days. I started recovering, went back to $41 over the next week, now I'm down to $26.

I'm not playing more than 600-700 hands per day.

For some of my stats in 20k hands, VPIP: 22.3, PFR: 16.16.

Essentially, how long should it take to beat 2NL?

Are swings like this common at all stakes?

I'm still a losing player. But I believe I have everything it takes to become a winning player.

Thanks!
 
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Here is my graph for 2NL. After 50k hands, I am 33 BI up:

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6max or FR? Takes different amount of time for different people, obviously. If you're currently a losing player, a better aim would be to get breakeven, then work up to being a winning 2nl player. How do you study? More stats are needed than VPIP/PFR.
 
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Here's a picture of some of my stats and playing history.

As you can see from the past 2 weeks, I'm deep in the red.

6-max, zoom by the way.
 

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I have the same opportunities, the loss of three days, the fourth gain, and so it goes, I do not know what to do and the incredible combination, which are against me ... but I fight and I hope to turn it around in my favor
 
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Have you tried switching it up from playing zoom tables and instead playing regular tables to slow things down and give you more time to think about your hands etc.

Because zoom is so quick paced its sometimes easier to make mistakes (I know made one last night that cost me a 275bb stack in a 2nl 6max zoom) and also can lead to tilt much easier because you can often get some quick consecutive beats in a row that just builds the pressure on frustration much quicker.

Zoom really does take some adjustment compared to regular tables.
 
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I'm still a losing player. But I believe I have everything it takes to become a winning player.

Based on what?

You have not mentioned how you plan to improve. If you dont post up hand history for critique or watch any training vidoes how do you expect to improve?
 
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For some of my stats in 20k hands, VPIP: 22.3, PFR: 16.16.

Essentially, how long should it take to beat 2NL?

Are swings like this common at all stakes?

I'm still a losing player. But I believe I have everything it takes to become a winning player.

Thanks!

It looks like the problem's right here. At 6-max Zoom, you need to nit it up. The VPIP looks good, but I don't see getting enough good hands to justify a PFR of 16.16. Looks like you're raising too wide pre and getting hammered post. That would account for the wide swings you're experiencing.

Also best to stay away from Zoom for awhile. Stick with one table and concentrate on what's working for you and what's not. Much easier to identify possible leaks at one table.
 
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It looks like the problem's right here. At 6-max Zoom, you need to nit it up.
Is that the difference between Zoom and regular cash tables?
Because for regular cash tables, I'd say his PFR was too low when compared to his VPIP...
 
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I agree with above. Try some normal 6-max tables and give yourself more time to get used to make good decisions fast. Zoom is very easy to get caught up in the moment and play hands you shouldn't if you don't have the necessary discipline. Study up on what hands you should be playing from what position (this will eliminate a lot of the mistakes you might be making) and then start working on your post-flop play. Gl!
 
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Is that the difference between Zoom and regular cash tables?
Because for regular cash tables, I'd say his PFR was too low when compared to his VPIP...

It is: you need to play a nittier style when playing Zoom. For regular cash games, the VPIP and PFR look to be just fine.
 
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I was playing 27/20 at 2NL 6-max zoom and still managed to win at a rate of 6.5bb/100 over 51k hands (and that's despite running way below EV). I actually disagree that you need to be a nit to win at zoom. I did a lot of stealing, re-stealing and light 3betting, which really helped my win-rate. I also played a lot of suited connectors, suited one-gappers, suited Aces and low pocket pairs.

I find that at zoom, the players are more predictable. At the regular cash tables, you come across some extremely unpredictable players, which makes it very hard to adjust to when multi-tabling.
 
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basically your VPIP is too high - bring it down a notch, should be around 15-17, when playing full cash
 
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