how to face an huge preflop bet

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sry guys but I am about to post a question that may be quite useless and kinda of too vague.

The reason wht posting is coz this fact unlikely it is more common of what you could think it is; especially @ micros where, random players, dont really take the count of the stack in bbs but they do it ""in money". Same players who do not have an idea when raising 3x or squeezing 9x, ect.

When they raise a monster for ex the would not raise, let's say 6 or 8 cents (x3 or 4x) @NL2 but maybe 20 cents (it is a reasonable digit for aces or kings, isnt it ?? )

All the above premise to say:

How do you face (call/3bet/push blabla) a big first-in raise of a random guy no info?? I really feel to be missing tons of value folding action against those kind of players. Tons and tons

What's range would you isolate?
...flatcall??
Any particular line??
any random thought ?
 
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Are you talking about FR or 6-max?
 
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With no info just fold a lot for two reasons.

1. It's usually a premium.
2. even without #1, if it is a bluff he's giving himself a terrible price on it so you can just own him when you have a big hand.
 
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Are you talking about FR or 6-max?

I think it should be roughly the same thing. It happened in a FR game but occurred several time in a short handed as well.
 
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imagine a turbo

imagine you are playing a hyper turbo or a turbo,

what would you do?

you should imagine a wide rangeof hands, so basically if you have a pair (in a hu) or a A you can push, and you will have like 60% of chances
 
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It depends on the context. How aggro was the oppenent? If they are aggro I always call them pre. Makes it easier to stack them.
 
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Fold and forget until you actually see his range for that.

3bet shove QQ+, AKo, AKs just because it is 2NL so what the hell :D also, if he is doing this often then no way his range is ahead of yours.
 
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At the micros, fold and wait for a better spot. In a cash game there is no reason to get fancy...
 
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I would fold without a high pocket pair, because he will mostly raise after the flop again and than I have to fold when I don't hit something. But with KK or AA you can go for a all in preflop and he have to call after a big raise. Luck will be always a part of poker.
 
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I think it should be roughly the same thing. It happened in a FR game but occurred several time in a short handed as well.
IMO it is not the same thing because my raise would be different at this stakes with a premium from UTG at FR than 6-max. BIG fish sign at 6-max, NIT or TAG at FR doing it by the book with a premium.
 
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Only hand you don't have to think a lot is AA, call or go all in. Every other hand depends of of so many things and variation what you should do but two aces are only clear. With that cards you want your opponent in all in situation.
 
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Since you mention microstakes, I think no matter what I'm reshoving all-in with AA/KK/AK/QQ every single time in microstakes. Obviously if you're both super deepstacked (4/5x BI) that's a different story.

Anything else, no shame in folding. Microstake blinds are small enough that you can fold fold fold until you get a hand to bust him with.
 
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From my experince, those guys at the micros are doing it with AK, AQ, AJ(but especially AK) hands as they are bad in playing postflop and it's like a nightmare for them to get a call and miss on the flop. But I have seen a several situations where guy turned out Aces while he was opening like 10x. I think it's important to take a note after you spot anything like this. They are usually not changing their play much so next time you will be facing this weirdo open, you will know better what you can expect.
 
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Whatever you do, don't call pre, then call the flop and turn, but fold river.

I see these maniacs carve up fishies who take that line all the time.
 
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With no info just fold a lot for two reasons.

1. It's usually a premium.
2. even without #1, if it is a bluff he's giving himself a terrible price on it so you can just own him when you have a big hand.

I am absolutely on the same road with you sir. And something more it's matter to pick your spot carefully just wait until you have premium hand and take what is yours just be patient enough. :):)
 
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it really depends on many things for example the position villian makes the raise. Its not the same raising in utg or the button. its unlikely, not impossible though that someone raises from utg without a very good hand preflop like aa,kk,qq,jj,ak,aq,aj, so in order to 3 bet there your hand should be very good. at least qq,kk,aa and ak, and flat call medium pairs or hands like aq,aj,qk.

when villian raises from late positions especially the button or cutoff the range of hands he could be having are extremely high especially if no one enters into the pot, small pairs are good to raise and
j10 even 89 suit are hands to raise in that position, so try to 3 bet with good hands like medium pairs ace and a good kicker ( 10 or higher). and flat call with low pairs and speculative hands.

With many people getting involved in a pot, you need to isolate only with a very strong hand, at least queens or even kings if there are more than three players in the pot.
Its very tough whether to decide to 3 bet, call or fold because the circumstances vary in each table. Try to focused on the style of game they play loose or tight, and play adjusting your villians range in your game strategy.
 
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Well with no info of the guy its impossible to say if he has a premium (and obviously not a very good player if he is open-raising for 10xbb with AA to end up with 0,03c blinds) or if he is a fish feeling lucky wanting to gamble.

But why do you bother? You didnt have any money invested right? If he does not constantly steal you with moves like this, i guess you just fold and do not get trouble unless you have AA or KK and maybe a AK if it really looks like a fish.
Then you get info and if he keeps doing it he's more likely to be a gambler than a profitable player.
 
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