how to get out of this downswing?

i just keep seem to be losing money. after losing my last br i am now down already on my new br despite switching from tourny's to cash games. i have been showing slight profit in most of the sessions, but there i played the 0.08/0.16 tables ( 6 of them) and 2 of the 0.10 0.25 to try them out. i had been playing the 0.05/0.10 and turning a slight profit but i had just under 50 buy ins and felt my br was going nowhere playing them.
on the 0.10 0.25 i lost my buy in on one and doubled the other one to just under 50, so was pretty much even for those. these felt like a better standard than the other games i had played though.
the 0.08 0.16 tables i was up and down on them. 2 i over doubled up, a couple of others around even and some a wee bit down. then near the end of my session i had like $17 on one of those tables, got A A, 3 bet, got 4 bet, 2 other people were all in and i obvi called so that was like a $45 pot- which is quite big as it is like 10% of my br. a Q came on the flop and i knew one was bound to have queens then a K on the turn. they had kings and queens so i lose a big pot.
happened on 2 other occasions but i don't want this to turn into a bad beat story.
i am massively tilting tbh haha so i signed out. what can i do to get out of this dowswing i know there is no magic answer but it is very frustrating only seeing my br going down.

The only thing that will get you out of a downswing is patience. There is sadly no magic formula and everyone goes through them.
If you were a winning player before your downswing started you will be a winning player when your downswing ends. How long will that take? Unfortunately no-one can tell.
The only thing you can do during a downswing, and I know it is hard to do, is continue to play your A game and do not tilt, if you start tilting do what you did and walk away.
This is why BR management is so important, it will stop you going broke.
Do not be too proud to go down a level if your BR demands it.]
As I say everyone has downswings but the good thing is that every downswing finishes in the end, play your best, have patience and you will come through it, though it is horrible and demoralising.

indahood193 said:

i had been playing the 0.05/0.10 and turning a slight profit but i had just under 50 buy ins and felt my br was going nowhere playing them.
on the 0.10 0.25 i lost my buy in on one and doubled the other one to just under 50, so was pretty much even for those. these felt like a better standard than the other games i had played though.

Click to expand...

You say you felt your BR was going nowhere using BRM of 50 buy-ins, although you may have been making a small profit.
So you moved up to where you only have 20 buy-ins and now you're worried about your BR after a few losses.
You should be. IMO moving up was not a smart move and this could end in expensive disaster.
Forget about the play being better (that's not a good thing btw), forget about how slowly your BR is increasing. What's important here is playing comfortably Within your Bankroll so that you can take a few losses without it being a big deal.
This is not anything to do with your skill level, it is simply the way that all winning players including Pros need to operate.

indahood, have you any reason to believe you are a winning player at the limits you're currently playing? Serious question, not trying to be a dick or anything. You run HEM or PT over a decent sample, like 100k hands?

cafeman i don't have any of that stuff. some months i make a profit at tourny's, others a loss. as for cash i only played live until recently and win most of the time there, just played tonight at a home game and won over 3x my original stack, and won something like 4 or 5 times in a row at the casino, twice going from like a 5er after a night out to £75 or £80 and another from 20 to like 130. i feel like any time i play live i have a good edge but online not so much- perhaps there are better players, but it is not just that.
overall online i am definetely a losing player, and definetely up live. so yeah, kind of hard to assess haha.

indahood, if you want to play cash games you should buy a HUD aka holdem manager or poker tracker, will make things easier. and I would start as low as possible and grind up even tho you are rolled for much more.

Go back to the basics of poker ,raise when u got good hands and dont try to get cute and i always go read the SUPER SYSTEM to refresh my game up.

When multi-tabling online you definetly need a software like HEM / PT, everybody else has it so you're giving yourself a huge disadvantage by not using it.
if you have 50 BI's for 10nl, it'll cost you 10BI's to buy that software, and it will definetly be worth it,

Also like judge says, stick to ABC poker at the micro's for now, and read up some strategy books/articles to adjust to online poker.

Ow and most important of all:
Play within your bankroll, I'd stick with 30 BI's at least as you're not a winning player yet.
Stick with 10nl until you have around 750$ in your bankroll, yes it might take a while, still better than losing it all right?

i got HM2

if you are not sure you are a winning player, start keeping track of EVERY session by keeping records.
it dosent matter whether its on paper or spreadsheet (although in writing is better for taxes...)
im in this for the money and if i didnt keep records how would i know if i was good enough to continue to play?
:hmmmm2::hmmmm2::hmmmm2::hmmmm2::hmmmm2::hmmmm2::hmmmm2::hmmmm2::hmmmm2::hmmmm2::hmmmm2::hmmmm2:
btw poker tracker, holdem manager, shark scope, poker databases, etc are ALWAYS wrong about my stats, always... so your records, if your honest, will be the best there is

1) Move down in stakes.
2) Study 1 hour for every 1 you play.
3) Play less, take longer breaks from the game.
4) Get a second perspective. Post lots of hands, so that if you are screwing up, you'll know.
5) Control what you can control. Many times you'll blame downswings on bad luck. But they're only partially due to luck. You can shorten the swing by improving your play, and learning to enjoy the game again.

sacrifice a goat...a virgin goat

gotta do what ya gotta do.... lol

i have found that it helps to step away for a bit. do other things you enjoy, go to the gym, hang out with friends, watch bad mindless tv, go get black out drunk...anything to take your mind off poker...you will come back fresh and ready to crush

indahood193 said:

now down already on my new br despite switching from tourny's to cash games.
i have been showing slight profit in most of the sessions,
i had been playing the 0.05/0.10 and turning a slight profit but i had just under 50 buy ins and felt my br was going nowhere playing them.
2 i over doubled up, a couple of others around even and some a wee bit down.

Click to expand...

You changed games and now you're losing?
if you were making money in tourneys go back to tourneys.
You're doubling up on tables but not cashing out. if 99% of people quit when they were winning then they would all be rich.
If you feel your bankroll is going nowhere then you need to reasses your limit you are playing at.

Sounds to me like you don't rspect the money cos it's too low. Stop thinking of it as cash amounts think of it as chips, a means to an ends and you will start to see that doubling your chips is a bankable win, instead of it's only $50.

indahood193 said:

then near the end of my session i had like $17 on one of those tables, got A A, 3 bet, got 4 bet, 2 other people were all in and i obvi called so that was like a $45 pot- which is quite big as it is like 10% of my br. a Q came on the flop and i knew one was bound to have queens then a K on the turn. they had kings and queens so i lose a big pot.
happened on 2 other occasions but i don't want this to turn into a bad beat story.
i am massively tilting tbh haha so i signed out. what can i do to get out of this dowswing i know there is no magic answer but it is very frustrating only seeing my br going down.

Click to expand...

If it was the all in player who had the 2 pair, then its simply run of the mill luck, if it wasn.t then you may have played poorly. is it 4 way action in that hand? not ideal for aces. but you have to stick it in when you get them i suppose.

like a few people have said. are you sure you are a winning player at the limit youre playing at? get a decent sample of hand, put it through HEM and see. Be critical of your play, if you can't get someone else to analyse it.
Just because you may not be a winning player at that limit doesn't mean you arent a winning player at another limit.

Losing a few sessions is not a downswing. Months of playing without mistakes, where players out draw you every time is a downswing. In that situation you tighten your belt and ride it out. Or go to thailand and ride it out (if you know what i mean).

If it truly is a downswing then youll only recover with sensible realistic analysis of your play from a software. make the investment it's worth it in the long run.

There is no magic answer. It is a brutal stuggle to become good at this game. Work as hard as you can and once your pro for ten years you will feel the same. I don't really believe in downswings. I believe in you playing poor.

i don't really believe in them either tbh, i think it has something to do with me playing poker pretty much every single day online for 3 months now. today i have just been researching some stuff online and watching things on youtube/ poker sites as i feel if i just tweak some things then i will start winning again after a small break.