How do you play suited cards from the CO/B with limpers ahead of you?

Lets say we are dealt K2s or Q8s or even any 2 suited cards at the button or CO. There are 2 or 3 limpers ahead of you so assuming the blinds call and check respectively, there would be 4 or 5 players in the pot besides you. How do you play this preflop? Are you trying to see the flop cheap, not even bother and fold it or establish yourself as the aggressor and raise? If so how much the BB do you raise?

i'm folding K2s and Q8s. i might play hands like 78s or even 46s. i like to be able to hit something good. but with hands like K2s or Q8s if you do hit top pair you might lose a bit of money still.

cardplayer52 said:

i'm folding K2s and Q8s. i might play hands like 78s or even 46s. i like to be able to hit something good. but with hands like K2s or Q8s if you do hit top pair you might lose a bit of money still.

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Very true. Do you limp or raise with the connectors or gappers?

Unless I was a big stack and could bully the others I would be folding. Unconnected suited cards are not worth much in my view.

Fold

limper's, dont have good hands, that's why they limp!!

When you play a speculative hand you need them to put lots of money in the pot to pay for all of the times you miss.

Well.. that just dosent happen all that much.

I might reraise preflop in hopes of folding them out, If called I might c-bet and then shut down (provided the person i am c-betting likes to call preflop and then give up on the flop)

But calling here is just bad.

because you are hoping to just flop big or give up, which isnt very skillfull, and you dont flop big very often

then even when that happens, these weak players dont very often put much money in the pot.

Fold them out preflop or fold yourself.

Tom1559 said:

Unless I was a big stack and could bully the others I would be folding. Unconnected suited cards are not worth much in my view.

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How does your stack size allow you to bully a player? A deep stack allows you to play speculative hands because of implied odds.

A short stack isnt able to play these hands, so when a short stack enters the pot it should be with a relatively good hand.

So how do you bully? If you are playing in this way against a decent SS, the SS has a stronger range than you do.

You then put money in the pot in hopes that he folds, but what you really do is offer a hand with a low target SPR the chance to stack off is he so wishes.

Exactly, i would try to see the flop cheap.And depending on flop, i would decide my further action...
Moreover, frankly speaking, i would fold K2...Though i would call Q8 suited..

Stu_Ungar said:

Fold

limper's, dont have good hands, that's why they limp!!

When you play a speculative hand you need them to put lots of money in the pot to pay for all of the times you miss.

Well.. that just dosent happen all that much.

I might reraise preflop in hopes of folding them out, If called I might c-bet and then shut down (provided the person i am c-betting likes to call preflop and then give up on the flop)

But calling here is just bad.

because you are hoping to just flop big or give up, which isnt very skillfull, and you dont flop big very often

then even when that happens, these weak players dont very often put much money in the pot.

Fold them out preflop or fold yourself.

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I am consistently shocked at players who limp with elite hands JJ-AK but point taken.

If you hit 2 pair + on the flop with 4 other players...you can be sure to get at least 4bb back as long as 1 player calls. And if an opponent hits top pair your hand is much more disguised. I am really not sure, I think switching up the way you play doesnt hurt I just want to get an idea of what most people do as a rule of thumb in these situations.

If you have a bunch of limpers and I've got a suited Ace in late position and a healthy stack, I'll limp in. If the pot has been raised, I'm folding. At the flop, I'm trying to hit the nut flush or nut flush draw, else fold.

BLieve said:

Very true. Do you limp or raise with the connectors or gappers?

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i do both. but i good rule of thumb is to limp behind if there are atleast 2 limpers in front of you. also you want to be in LP(not MP or EP). and make sure there not a shorty in the blinds. and everyone in the pot should have deep stacks including yourself. i would say have atleast 30BBs to limp behind. if there are no limpers i raise to steal the blinds or fold(mostly fold).

I could limp with a suited A + rag, but In my mind the red light always flashes suited only ad +3% I only play K + rag suited for decepition or on position with no limpers.

BLieve said:

Lets say we are dealt K2s or Q8s or even any 2 suited cards at the button or CO.

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I would just fold those cards will just get you in trouble, Even if you hit you will never know where you are compared to the rest. I think you would win only small pots, and possibly lose big pots.
IMO

Both hands are an auto fold for me, unless, in the BB and checked to me. I can't see any reason why I would risk one additional chip with either hand. Now.... a cheap flop with suited connectors are nice when you hit the flop.

this has probably been said but, with suited cards you want something with connective value, k 2 its probably stretching that q 8 suited is a possible call depending on your table image and the level of skill of your opponants... personally i would call with one or two gappers that are suited on the button, as long as the blinds arnt likely to raise you out of the pot..

definately dont raise with these hands, its defeating the purpose of playing such cards. you want to get in cheap, with multiway action against loose bad opponants who are likely to make big mistakes postflop.

oh but the latter part of your question, if you did, want to make a dead money grab there.. basically you would need to look at the pot size, if the pot is say 2000 you will need to make it around 3-3.5k. or even more if you are out of position. with this play your main aim is to steal the money which is out there already and not put a cent more in, so really your hand doesnt matter.

say the blinds are 50 100, there are 3 limper in front of you, (the first limper is most important, if he is likely to call i would cancel this play) so actions to you, you get dealt 7 2 offsuit.yay. you feel the first limpers weak and the ohters will fold to action. so you decide to make a dead money grab to take whats out there hopefully without a fight.

there is currently 450 out there so making it to around 900-1000 would seem to be enough. basically around double the size of the pot, more if you are out of position. again, if you happen to be called thats the end of the hand for you, i wouldnt advise continuing with the hand unless you flop good. and its also a play which you wouldnt want to risk more than 10% of your stack with.

its a good play when the tables limping a lot and will fold to pressure, but i would use it very sporadically as it is high risk, but with a high success rate.

i would only limp in suited connectors on the late pos. playing suited k2s or anything with rags is a NO! you will just get involved with a top pair and a small kicker which can easily be beaten. if you want to raise better raise with a pot size or greater to lessen the limpers and gives you a higher percentage of winning your hand.