How do you deal with Big betters and river pushers... ?

something that causes me problems are players who bet big,
for alot of plays obviously weak plays widely represent weakness, and strength means strength,

but some players abuse this and if you hold a hand such as pocket 10's on a 5-K-9 board or even 3rd pair 9's on Q-10-7 board and hes big betting against you big as you've let it go twice already, and views you as a weak opponant, is it worth trying to undo this guy or just avoid the donky agressor's?


If im playing on pokerstars, Its alot easier to play because no one is going to just gamble or bet with a bad hand without knowing what you have (not as much donkish play)

It has really been getting to me alot of players pushing in with any pair, any ace, even broadways.
just going for the daft re-raise post flop
(i mainly have this problem on 888 poker)

Is he playing after you or before? I would be tempted to shove with pocket 10's on a 5-K-9 board especially if you know him to be overly aggressive and he is acting in LP. He probably is betting with a weak Ace.

shoving 10's is ok in my opinion if he is really aggro and you have seen in bluff in spots like this. becareful that villain isn't just hitting tp and betting big. This would be fine as you can exploit it when you hit 2 pair or better against them.

Folding 99's is fine we're there to hit a set and we've missed. Also this board can have lots of draws and 2 overs to the 99's.

Just be aware of villains ranges rather than thinking he/she see's you as weak and is pushing you off every hand. Try and make certain decisions pre-flop, for example with the 99's bet/call if only undercards or we hit our set on the flop.

If they are as crazy as you suggest then best advice is tighten up and play more premium hands, and then stack villains.

I try to be the big bettor or river pusher as often as possible

you know how hes betting and a rough idea on what he has then play your hands more selectively and use it to trap him once u hit a monster i.e let him hang himself

would any of you guys reccommend being the big river pusher? trying to put people off hands and draws..,
usually if Im gona bet the river, like if I believe they've missed there draws or called down with medium pair or KA/QA,
just a suck bet is often enough to bring a fold,
how effective would you say the all in bet is?

I never really have the balls to risk my whole stack in a situation where I know a smaller bet may be called
as there is that chance someone just calls or hits an unsuspecting river card

Occasionally when I triple barrel nothing, I shove the river. Of course it's read dependent but if I have reason to believe he just missed a draw or has top pair crappy kicker a jam can be a good play... But u need big balls and good hand reading abilities

All of these posts are good reasons for "not" varying your betting according to the relative strength or weakness of your own hand, otherwise a person is just going to figure out your playing style that much quicker.

Look at your position relative to the button. What's the highest possible hand your villain could have if he caught the flop. How's your hand post flop? Can you beat his highest possible flop? He may not be strong but is betting a draw and trying to push others out of the pot so he can still win with a smaller pair. What does he do if you raise back at him? You can't be right right 100% of the time but then neither can he. Just push back at his ass a few times and see what he does.

A B C poker, for me its:

A - raising the right amount and for the right reason
*narrow the field, isolate an opponent, take the lead, gain information

B - continuation bets on the flop that are at least half-pot
*get rid of most chasers and win you the pot 2/3 of the time right there

C - consider the story you're telling and the story the other player is telling you, street by street.
*Are you beaten? Let the hand go.

Overall my point is that I always try to limit the number of times I am put to a tough decision.
Using position and having a solid made plan for how the streets will play out every time helps me keep an eye on the opponent and watch out for pitfalls.

I did the ABC in a tourney tonight. Was chipleader, ended up bombing out just after the bubble.

In a matter of a few hands I got cleaned out by an absolute calling station, I would put my money in ahead (was playing very tight at this stage and raised about 4-5x pre flop) 1/2 pot continuation on top pair, villain calls. full pot on turn with two pair, villain calls. River makes three spades and he went all in with a 10 high flush.

There is no set way to play donks (or was that a good play on his part? he's got me doubting myself!)

Long story short, the next 3 hands that i took part in, I put my money in when I was ahead, only for him to draw to four cards to a flush, runner- runner for a straight, and rivered broadway on the last hand that knocked me out!

think several ways to deal with it!

1st is going to be slow play nuts and waiting for river....fishing
2nd is going to be "NO FEAR" call down with weak pair or any A high
3rd is going to be...you will be play the same style against him....LOL

think that 3rd one is going to be the best way....if u feel uncomfortable, then u play the same style will may the other side feel out of his comfort zone as well...

LOL

GrandMaestro7 said:

I did the ABC in a tourney tonight. Was chipleader, ended up bombing out just after the bubble.

In a matter of a few hands I got cleaned out by an absolute calling station, I would put my money in ahead (was playing very tight at this stage and raised about 4-5x pre flop) 1/2 pot continuation on top pair, villain calls. full pot on turn with two pair, villain calls. River makes three spades and he went all in with a 10 high flush.

There is no set way to play donks (or was that a good play on his part? he's got me doubting myself!)

Long story short, the next 3 hands that i took part in, I put my money in when I was ahead, only for him to draw to four cards to a flush, runner- runner for a straight, and rivered broadway on the last hand that knocked me out!

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That is horrible! Even worse it sounds like the same player pulled all those beats on ya... depending on his stack size and mine if it's begun dropping fast to double ups I would chill out a little bit (sounds like a cooler coming on...) Either that or one of those full tilt geniuses who knows all the cards that are coming out in which case it is even more important that I play him with positional advantage (and the nuts, lol!)