How to counter LAG player?

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I'm usually a tight-aggressive player on the live tables unless I don't hit then I turn into weak-tight. There's this LAG player reg in my room who always raises to 15, then pot sizes on flop, and if I don't hit, I would have to fold and even when I flop a draw, it still costs a boat load for drawing especially if he double barrels.

For example this hand I played:

Hero on Dealer with J10HH, limps, sb completes, LAG in BB raises to 15,

Hero calls , SB folds

Stacks are $500 eff

Flop comes

6h 4h 4s

BB bets 30, Hero tank folds... because it might hit his range of being a lag with a 4 or 6 .. and I'm not getting the price to call, and my implied odds aren't that heavily strong considering he does know how to fold at times.

Is it wise to raise him here and try to take it down? What if he calls and the turn is a brick, do I call his 2nd bet or if he checks, do I check hoping for a H to come? Really fustrated how this LAG dude runs over the table...
 
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Its simple. Just be a TA.

If you have the goods, just raise big since we know he will call and the others will fold. Meaning, we are cornering him with a very strong hand.

In the long run, we wins.
 
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Don't open limp the button with J10s.... You sound like you would be a dream to have on my right because you are tight passive and I would take full advantage of it like this guy. If he is a good lag he wouldn't pay you off when you start raising or betting big.
 
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When you limp in on the button with a LAG in the BB, you are asking to be raised as he is a thinking player and assumes you are as well and that you're limping in with a wider range in late position... so tighten up and only play the hands you are comfortable raising against him from late position and once in a while limp in with a stronger hand. Loosen up your raising range form earlier position if he is the only lag in the group, he will most likely give them more weight.
 
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imo call with a great hand in late position let the lag raise you and call hit your nuts on the flop and let the lag raise or check if he bets turn think n call if he doesent bet half to 3 quarters pot if he checks river bet full pot if he raises river reraise as much as you think you can get away with

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Trap out of position. Go to war with him in position. Get in his head; then drop down to a solidly tight gear and value town him.
 
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newbie in training said:
imo call with a great hand in late position let the lag raise you and call hit your nuts on the flop and let the lag raise or check if he bets turn think n call if he doesent bet half to 3 quarters pot if he checks river bet full pot if he raises river reraise as much as you think you can get away with

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This, poker is such an easy game.
 
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IPlay said:
This, poker is such an easy game.
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funny enough i dont even play cash games...i play tournies LOL

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Well sounds like he is just outplaying u and the table with his plays....I mean you did have J 10 of suited in Position so I don't blame your play but I would have raised there by not raising you allowed the BB (LAG) player to protect his BB and so he raised....LAG players are tricky....u never know what he might have...sometimes u have to switch your style many times just to be able to corner him and win a big pot ....but be careful....he might bluff you twice or the table twice.... then run into AK and out play the table again and then run into AA or KK and catch someone with AK or AQ.....Tight is Right...and pick your spots
 
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Raise pre. as played raise the flop.
 
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GWU73 said:
Trap out of position. Go to war with him in position. Get in his head; then drop down to a solidly tight gear and value town him.
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I partly agree, play IP as much as possible against him but don't be tight because someone gonna stack him before you, be solid from blinds and 3bet SC (not pairs) once you take him a good pot reverse the strategy
 
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As a lag myself I would recommend being aggressive oop and aggressive in position. Sometimes switching this up to passive post flop. That just drives me nuts. This suggestion would be for post flop play. As for preflop always always be aggressive. I like to play position and if you raise pre on the button there's a bigger chance I will fold in the blinds against another aggressive player but If you limp, I'll jump all over you.
 
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Always it is better to increase in pre, then to be aggressive as mse prove to be the rival and what the table shows us
 
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try not to limp. if your hand isnt good enough to raise then fold!!
 
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I try to play back at LAG players when in position and try to show them that I am not going to surrender. In my experience they will normally try and abuse the rest of the table and tend not to try and bully me once I have shown that I have some game.
 
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kenshi3 said:
I'm usually a tight-aggressive player on the live tables unless I don't hit then I turn into weak-tight. There's this LAG player reg in my room who always raises to 15, then pot sizes on flop, and if I don't hit, I would have to fold and even when I flop a draw, it still costs a boat load for drawing especially if he double barrels.

For example this hand I played:

Hero on Dealer with J10HH, limps, sb completes, LAG in BB raises to 15,

Hero calls , SB folds

Stacks are $500 eff

Flop comes

6h 4h 4s

BB bets 30, Hero tank folds... because it might hit his range of being a lag with a 4 or 6 .. and I'm not getting the price to call, and my implied odds aren't that heavily strong considering he does know how to fold at times.

Is it wise to raise him here and try to take it down? What if he calls and the turn is a brick, do I call his 2nd bet or if he checks, do I check hoping for a H to come? Really fustrated how this LAG dude runs over the table...
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Is this not a good situation to jam? If he pots you have a lot of fold equity as he is playing a lot of hands and 15 outs to improve your hand (that's 60% chance to hit either a heart or 10/J, also gives you an aggressive image so he is less likely to steal or re-steal you.
 
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slowplay more your big hands against him , you can also try to play back at him on very dry boards since his range will be much more polarized and bluffs will be a bigger portion of it. You can also bluffcatch more with top pairs.
 
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1. Facing two limpers, his PF raise was proper.

2. Never play another mans game against him.

3. To beat a LAG you ... wait.

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adougy13 said:
I try to play back at LAG players when in position and try to show them that I am not going to surrender. In my experience they will normally try and abuse the rest of the table and tend not to try and bully me once I have shown that I have some game.
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Or more likely, you turned into a fish and now he will just TAG up on you, assuming he's a good LAG
 
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Don't listen to the LAG that posted here. The right play is to be the antithesis of what your opponent is. Play tight, trap from out of position, and when you get a group 1 hand, then don't be afraid to push, you'll win more in the long run.
 
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You do not seem to be a TAG, but actually a tight passive player.

Open raise with narrow range and do not be afraid to get into big pots with the LAG player. As your range is usually ahead, you can easily take lots of values from him when you are in position.
 
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tenniskid004 said:
Don't listen to the LAG that posted here. The right play is to be the antithesis of what your opponent is. Play tight, trap from out of position, and when you get a group 1 hand, then don't be afraid to push, you'll win more in the long run.
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Against a thinking LAG, this is horrendous advice.

Against a mindless LAG it is ok advice....

I can play semi laggy online, and after I get a read on someone, I simply won't allow myself to get trapped for stacks or even significant fractions of stacks.

Trapping is just bad poker.

Play less hands, raise almost all the hands you are playing pre flop, and try and move seats to get on his left and plan on 3 betting him a decent amount with hands like KQ/AQ/AJ/AK etc...
 
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A2345Razz said:
Against a thinking LAG, this is horrendous advice.

Against a mindless LAG it is ok advice....

I can play semi laggy online, and after I get a read on someone, I simply won't allow myself to get trapped for stacks or even significant fractions of stacks.

Trapping is just bad poker.

Play less hands, raise almost all the hands you are playing pre flop, and try and move seats to get on his left and plan on 3 betting him a decent amount with hands like KQ/AQ/AJ/AK etc...
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Completely agree...I guess I should have clarified, I automatically assume most LAGs are mindless, because that's what plays at my regular game
 
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