How C-bets eat our BR ?

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It is not a secret that quality C-bet bring us blinds winning on the flop.
However, C-bet makes regular are bring us uncomfortable feeling to continue playing against villain we don't know, doing second bluff barrels and others loosely money moves.


So, lets talk, about when is right time to use C-bet?
 
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This is something I need to work on. There's a right time and a wrong time though. Based on what I'm learning from my last hand review, I think oop and against too many opponents are probably wrong times.
 
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This is something I need to work on. There's a right time and a wrong time though. Based on what I'm learning from my last hand review, I think oop and against too many opponents are probably wrong times.

Yup, and a lot of players Cbet 80-90% of the time and these days 60-70 is optimal
 
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Had a funny moment the other day when player donk bet before the preflop aggressor had a chance to c-bet. The preflop aggressor says loudly: Hey what are you doing? I'm supposed to c-bet! as he mucked his cards. The table chuckled.
 
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I agree..after the flop small cbet
 
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Had a funny moment the other day when player donk bet before the preflop aggressor had a chance to c-bet. The preflop aggressor says loudly: Hey what are you doing? I'm supposed to c-bet! as he mucked his cards. The table chuckled.

If I'm the PFR and a player donks into me, then I'm bluff raising his donk bet 99% of the time with ATC, because I know he's going to fold at least 80% of the time.
 
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That brings up a good question: How much should Cbet be? Same size as preflop raise? Half pot? Bigger?

Typically around 70% pot, but it depends on the board texture (more on wet boards, less on dry boards) and it also depends on the SPR and also on whether it's a 2bet, 3bet or 4bet pot (smaller Cbets are required in 3bet/4bet pots compared to 2bet pots).
 
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Typically around 70% pot, but it depends on the board texture (more on wet boards, less on dry boards) and it also depends on the SPR and also on whether it's a 2bet, 3bet or 4bet pot (smaller Cbets are required in 3bet/4bet pots compared to 2bet pots).

you mean if it's 3bet before flop right? if somebody else raises before you after the flop, generally just call if you have something to call with right? (atleast as far as ABC goes)
 
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you mean if it's 3bet before flop right? if somebody else raises before you after the flop, generally just call if you have something to call with right? (atleast as far as ABC goes)

A "3bet pot" means a pot that was re-raised preflop. So yeah, I'd typically Cbet slightly less % of the pot in a 3bet pot compared to a 2bet pot.

How can someone raise before you when they are first to act? Unless you got the words "bet" and "raise" mistaken? If you're talking about what's known as a "donk bet", then refer to my previous comment. I am typically bluff raising donk bets with ATC.
 
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do you speak english? bruh lol
 
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do you speak english? bruh lol

Yes, we dont! how u can notice a lot of CC members is not from english speaking countries. For some of us english is second, third and even fourth language. So, if u understand what someone write about but trying to look like PhD in Eng.Lang thats ur business. But if u realy dont understand, the thread about Cbets and when the best time to use this move!
 
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do you speak english? bruh lol

Yes, we dont! how u can notice a lot of CC members is not from english speaking countries. For some of us english is second, third and even fourth language. So, if u understand what someone write about but trying to look like PhD in Eng.Lang thats ur business. But if u realy dont understand, the thread about Cbets and when the best time to use this move!


PWNED!!!!

@Mitchel...Dont rag on people because of their English. It is rude, makes you look like a dick, in this case is a derail on the thread topic, and anyway..... let us see you answer them in their language.

Cbetting is also very villain dependant. If you have a HUD you can make some pretty informed decisions as whether or not to cbet.

If you get a call from a tight player, as one example, and the flop comes with an A on a RB board you can cbet pretty much all the time cause he will be 3 betting AK/AQs and probably not calling with most Ax unless suited, and he has enough hands that will hate the A. This is also a player you can go ahead and double barrel, as he could float a lot of flops.

Some people call and fold to cbet enough that you can almost cbet any board.

A delayed cbet is old school but still works vs some players.

So many reasons to cbet, so many reasons to not.

I guess...*sigh*..... it depends...:)
 
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Yes, we dont! how u can notice a lot of CC members is not from english speaking countries. For some of us english is second, third and even fourth language. So, if u understand what someone write about but trying to look like PhD in Eng.Lang thats ur business. But if u realy dont understand, the thread about Cbets and when the best time to use this move!


I think much more players will makes call your after flop C-bet in the case when you made just CHECK on the flop. So in situation when opponents gets some middle combination on turn and river, you will lose money because of check-call opponents strategy.
 
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A "3bet pot" means a pot that was re-raised preflop. So yeah, I'd typically Cbet slightly less % of the pot in a 3bet pot compared to a 2bet pot.
ok, my terminology isnt the best. I thought 3bet was when there's a bet and two raises following on any street.

How can someone raise before you when they are first to act? Unless you got the words "bet" and "raise" mistaken? If you're talking about what's known as a "donk bet", then refer to my previous comment. I am typically bluff raising donk bets with ATC.

yeah, i get bet and raise confused sometimes, theyre kinda the same, but i guess there is a difference.


thanks for your input though, sounds really agressive. i dont think i would raise with ATC after someone else bet before me, even if i was the preflop aggressor. maybe i would raise if i had good cards.
 
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I don't think using the word 'regular' is really appropriate. There's always a time and a place for C-bets. When you're heads up and you land a weak top pair, but even this depends on so much more information.
 
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