How to adjust (live 1/2 , 2/5)

I am not sure if this is where this thread should be, but here we go...

A little background: Beginner here, not enough time put on the table to really evaluate my game or to calculate $/hr.

Question: How do you adjust to a table that is loose passive preflop? I played a table that drove me nuts. I would raise, get 5-7 callers. It was especially hard to adjust since I didn't hit any flops that hard to show big hands. There was set mining from any position, any two cards kind of players, and I hate to say I felt like the biggest idiot for not being able to adjust. I did resort to three betting from late position, and still get so many callers. My style is better when people respond to three bets and when I isolate. I guess I consider myself above average heads up or three handed after the flop. Please point your fellow fishcake in the right direction.

Thanks

Don't overvalue initiative. Cbetting should be done carefully. Basically just bet for value and minimize your bluffing. If the table is very passive, then you can see flops cheap with speculative hands, and get out when you miss. Just don't play them for fold equity when you flop draws if you're getting called down by middle pair and crap. Try to figure out which players are total stations and which are nitty post flop.

Should be pretty easy if you stick to this kind of game.

I play the same game as you I like to isolate and get people to think about whats going on with 3-bets etc rather than just wasting breath., also I play alot of 6max online so its obviously more fishy 9/10 players, more people with spec hands wanting to see the flop.

one thing i've done I started raising silly amounts against clueless guys, with pocket pairs medium plus basically raising about 12-15x to isolate getting one caller, and betting pot on the flop regardless of the outcome unless I think I can get value and have a strong enough hand nice board texture, I variate and only do this a few times, but it,
Even with AK i'll just get it in pre flop with a big bet and take it down enough of the time to profit.
Other that that it is just a waiting game getting involved with limpers with spec hands pays off, even if we have to wait out a whole session over the month we will profit from the value we get from sets and suited connectors (assuming we are playing a solid game)

Also not over think my game since where I play their not on that sort of level in fact they dont even know what a GTO strategy is,

.01/.02 cents or 1/2 dollars?
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LeeCallaghan said:

.01/.02 cents or 1/2 dollars?
If us more information please

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He sis say live. He's talking about dollars.

DaReKa said:

Don't overvalue initiative. Cbetting should be done carefully. Basically just bet for value and minimize your bluffing. If the table is very passive, then you can see flops cheap with speculative hands, and get out when you miss. Just don't play them for fold equity when you flop draws if you're getting called down by middle pair and crap. Try to figure out which players are total stations and which are nitty post flop.

Should be pretty easy if you stick to this kind of game.

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I only have a little bit of 1/2 live experience, but I'm +1 with all of this.

Thanks DaReKa! Great insight there..
Cotta777: This 12x raise may work at online tables where people couldn't care less or something.. But I don't think it would be profitable at a live game where you're pretty much playing your hand face up and you will only get called by better hands. I have seen people do this to only fold their JJ or ship it to someone when they run into a better hand. But you're right, when they don't care you do that I guess..
I also am concerned of giving bet sizing tells. They aren't that observative(Is that a word?) but they can tell when a size looks so different than the norm.

Thanks people

Think said:

Thanks DaReKa! Great insight there..
Cotta777: This 12x raise may work at online tables where people couldn't care less or something.. But I don't think it would be profitable at a live game where you're pretty much playing your hand face up and you will only get called by better hands. I have seen people do this to only fold their JJ or ship it to someone when they run into a better hand. But you're right, when they don't care you do that I guess..
I also am concerned of giving bet sizing tells. They aren't that observative(Is that a word?) but they can tell when a size looks so different than the norm.

Thanks people

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I am primarily a live player. I have a good amount of live experience. That being said....


A standard raise on live tables is around $12~$15 preflop, or 6x~7.5x.


Live tables are very loose. They are filled with players who did not drive to the casino/charity room to fold. The game is different than online. To adress the bolded text from above - most live players are not even thinking about ranges, even though you may think you are turning your hand face up.

If you have a big hand, bet as much as you think a particular villain will call preflop. Then, continue with caution postflop. These folks will call rediculous raises with straight garbage. They are ATMs.

The players sitting at live tables are some of the worst players on the planet.


Most are not even considering betting tells, raise sizes, etc. They are simply there to gamble. They like to see flops, play bingo, chase 2-outers/gutterballs/flushes.



I can tell you one thing for sure:

If you raise 3x~4x on a live table, you will probably be going to the flop with 7 people in the hand. A rare exception may be a table full of 80 year old nits.


I would recommend opening for at least 5x on live tables. But around $12 seems to be good...

Edit: When you are sitting at a live table, consider the dynamics when choosing a raise amount. I would try to open for pretty much the same amount consistenly. Like if you are raising to $15 most times, don't raise way bigger with AA or something.... That can help in avoiding betting tells. But you want to raise enough to "thin the herd" of gamblers playing their favorite hands, A-rag, etc. Most big hands do not play well multi-way. So if you pick up a big pair, you need to raise enough to go HU or 3-way to flop if possible.


You will see what I am talking about if/when you sit down at a live table.


Just some food for thought.

I think I need to say this. I forgot to add it.

There is no cookie-cutter advice for poker. The advice I gave was general. Dynamics/villains can change the way you need to play.

For example: If you have AA, and there is one limper UTG... You have already seen this particular player call a $30 raise after limping, play the player. Adjust your strategy as needed to compensate for villain tendencies.


So basically, I am just giving some general tips. They are just tips, not a guide on how to play in every spot vs. every villain.