Hitting 2 pair in unraised multiway pot...damn these are hard to play

thepokerkid123;1376119[COLOR="Red" said:

]No question you need to bet the flop. 5 other players and a draw on the board. You don't let that many players draw.[/COLOR]
*^^^This, Exactly!!!
Pot size bet because of the number of players (I would suggest the same bet size for any hand you thought was worth betting in such a multiway pot).
*^^I would prefer 3/4 size pot in hopes of making some money but doing it through isolation. Betting the pot will probably make most people fold. If this happens you're losing out on ev.
Turn, 2s, lucky you. That's as blank as they come.
Bet, raise.
You've got the best hand, you know this. There are that many players in this pot that someone has something, even the turn card put another draw out there, raise, you can get value out of this hand if you bet it.
It's not WA/WB, there are two draws out there which anyone who hit them should be betting because this pot is begging to be claimed. You're probably not up against AJ here (no flop bet) but weaker jacks are betting too, even A6 is probably thinking he might have the best hand. You're way ahead and almost never behind.
I'm not an expert but your hand does not look like two pair, it doesn't even look like TPTK. If you raise it looks like you've got a weak hand that's trying to take the pot.

River, I can understand not raising because it did complete the 78 draw, but I think against most opponents this is still a raise. He's either got a busted draw and folds, a hand like KJ, A6 or a pocket pair 77, 88, TT and calls or has two pair or better and raises. If he raises any more than a min raise it's probably a fold but I'd still be calling a weak raise here just because I cheated and looked at the results and saw he had K6 which means he's the type of player I'll look up when it's cheap, expecting him to make bad raises occasionally (whether he's bluffing or thinks it's for value).

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slycbnew said:

I'm not that comfortable/familiar w FR dynamics, but I'm shocked nobody raised pf at a 50nl table - in the HJ, I vastly prefer raising rather than tagging along pf w 65s, partly cuz a competent BTN will raise here w a wide range (65s doesn't play well oop) and partly cuz I doubt CO is competent (he posts early, usually but not always a sign of fishiness), so I think I can buy position or buy the pot.

I think you mean villain instead of CO here

In limped pots, it's important to take stabs at pots w reasonable hands, esp in position. Bottom two is a strong but vulnerable hand and best played fast initially, it's easier to get counterfeited than you may think. So yes, as a default play 90%+ I'm betting the flop - sd's may call and top pair will probably call, we'll prob get raised by sets and top two (it'd be unusual in a limped pot for someone to show up w an overpair here).

Well said. Point taken.

If BB calls the flop, he'll probably check the turn, in which case I'd bet again - it'd be a brave soul to have limped pf w 43.
In that case I have seen very brave souls

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c9h13no3 said:

Like, you know, I limp suited connectors so if I make a monster I can check or call every street and win the minimum.

Ehh I say two pair is more of a gentle giant than a monster and if I had a monster, flop was 566. You damn straight I am checking the flop

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thepokerkid123 said:

No question you need to bet the flop. 5 other players and a draw on the board. You don't let that many players draw.
Pot size bet because of the number of players (I would suggest the same bet size for any hand you thought was worth betting in such a multiway pot).

So essentially value bet and field for callers. I wasn't thinking this way because I definitely would not call anything more than a minibet if I did not have 2 pair or a nut draw. Since there are fish in this pot, it would make sense to value bet but I would be very hesitant to try this if there were better players.

Turn, 2s, lucky you. That's as blank as they come.
Bet, raise.
You've got the best hand, you know this. There are that many players in this pot that someone has something, even the turn card put another draw out there, raise, you can get value out of this hand if you bet it.
It's not WA/WB, there are two draws out there which anyone who hit them should be betting because this pot is begging to be claimed.

Well with the bet by villain after the turn, I believe anyone who is on a draw would fold at this point so it should be a WA/WB.

You're probably not up against AJ here (no flop bet) but weaker jacks are betting too, even A6 is probably thinking he might have the best hand. You're way ahead and almost never behind.
I'm not an expert but your hand does not look like two pair, it doesn't even look like TPTK. If you raise it looks like you've got a weak hand that's trying to take the pot.

Hm I beg to differ. If I open pot sized bet and someone behind me raised at the turn, I would put that person on a very strong hand.

River, I can understand not raising because it did complete the 78 draw, but I think against most opponents this is still a raise. He's either got a busted draw and folds, a hand like KJ, A6 or a pocket pair 77, 88, TT and calls or has two pair or better and raises. If he raises any more than a min raise it's probably a fold but I'd still be calling a weak raise here just because I cheated and looked at the results and saw he had K6 which means he's the type of player I'll look up when it's cheap, expecting him to make bad raises occasionally (whether he's bluffing or thinks it's for value).

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