BLieve
Rock Star
Silver Level
So a few days ago, my fellow cardchat members helped me come to the conclusion that it is best to check top pair strong kicker in an unraised multiway pot. Now lets change that to two pair and use the following hand as an example.
Stage #1834518602: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2010-01-04 00:33:05 (ET)
Table: DEY ST (real money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - FFULLTILT ($35.40 in chips)
Seat 7 - NIKONDUDE ($29.50 in chips)
Seat 8 - GOODNTIGHT ($18.22 in chips)
Seat 9 - SKEETER3335 ($67.81 in chips)
Seat 1 - GLAZEPUP ($11.25 in chips)
Seat 2 - ROSSELL412 ($42.10 in chips)
Seat 3 - NYC_ALL_IN ($16.75 in chips)
Seat 4 - BLIEVE ($50 in chips)
Seat 5 - MAGELA_ ($10 in chips)
NIKONDUDE - Posts small blind $0.25
GOODNTIGHT - Posts big blind $0.50
MAGELA_ - Posts $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to BLIEVE [6c 5c]
SKEETER3335 - Calls $0.50
GLAZEPUP - Folds
ROSSELL412 - Folds
NYC_ALL_IN - Calls $0.50
BLIEVE - Calls $0.50
Two EP callers I can tag along here.
MAGELA_ - Checks
FFULLTILT - Folds
NIKONDUDE - Calls $0.25
GOODNTIGHT - Checks
Just as I hoped, 6 to the flop.
*** FLOP *** [Js 5h 6d]
NIKONDUDE - Checks
GOODNTIGHT - Checks
SKEETER3335 - Checks
NYC_ALL_IN - Checks
Ok so I hit 2 pair...now what??? 4 checks...(At this point I realized I had NO IDEA what I wanted to do) Not exactly a way ahead way behind situation yet since there is a low straight draw in villains ranges...do I want to value bet?
BLIEVE - Checks
MAGELA_ - Checks
*** TURN *** [Js 5h 6d] [2s]
At this point I would term this to be a WA/WB situation, if you dont have a set, a straight or a higher 2 pair then I am way ahead.
NIKONDUDE - Checks
GOODNTIGHT - Bets $3
Pot sized bet should I raise or call?
SKEETER3335 - Folds
NYC_ALL_IN - Folds
BLIEVE - Calls $3
I am not sure a raise does me any good as it will fold out any hands worse than mine and generate calls/raises from 2 pairs or up. Experts do you agree with this move?
MAGELA_ - Folds
NIKONDUDE - Folds
*** RIVER *** [Js 5h 6d 2s] [9d]
GOODNTIGHT - Bets $4
A weak river bet...I can easily rule out JJ 55 and 66 from his hand. A higher 2 pair is possible, a set of 22 or 99 unlikely. He probably is not putting me on a draw and more on a made hand based on my turn call but once again I am hesitant to raise.
BLIEVE - Calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GOODNTIGHT - Shows [Kc 6h] (One pair, sixes)
BLIEVE - Shows [6c 5c] (Two Pair, sixes and fives)
BLIEVE Collects $15.65 from main pot
Id like to know from the more experienced members, when you hit a flop like this, what is your goal in this hand? I believe check calling like I did would only work with fish that are stabbing at the pot. So the way this would be played in 50NL is probably very different in 200 or even 100NL.
Stage #1834518602: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2010-01-04 00:33:05 (ET)
Table: DEY ST (real money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - FFULLTILT ($35.40 in chips)
Seat 7 - NIKONDUDE ($29.50 in chips)
Seat 8 - GOODNTIGHT ($18.22 in chips)
Seat 9 - SKEETER3335 ($67.81 in chips)
Seat 1 - GLAZEPUP ($11.25 in chips)
Seat 2 - ROSSELL412 ($42.10 in chips)
Seat 3 - NYC_ALL_IN ($16.75 in chips)
Seat 4 - BLIEVE ($50 in chips)
Seat 5 - MAGELA_ ($10 in chips)
NIKONDUDE - Posts small blind $0.25
GOODNTIGHT - Posts big blind $0.50
MAGELA_ - Posts $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to BLIEVE [6c 5c]
SKEETER3335 - Calls $0.50
GLAZEPUP - Folds
ROSSELL412 - Folds
NYC_ALL_IN - Calls $0.50
BLIEVE - Calls $0.50
Two EP callers I can tag along here.
MAGELA_ - Checks
FFULLTILT - Folds
NIKONDUDE - Calls $0.25
GOODNTIGHT - Checks
Just as I hoped, 6 to the flop.
*** FLOP *** [Js 5h 6d]
NIKONDUDE - Checks
GOODNTIGHT - Checks
SKEETER3335 - Checks
NYC_ALL_IN - Checks
Ok so I hit 2 pair...now what??? 4 checks...(At this point I realized I had NO IDEA what I wanted to do) Not exactly a way ahead way behind situation yet since there is a low straight draw in villains ranges...do I want to value bet?
BLIEVE - Checks
MAGELA_ - Checks
*** TURN *** [Js 5h 6d] [2s]
At this point I would term this to be a WA/WB situation, if you dont have a set, a straight or a higher 2 pair then I am way ahead.
NIKONDUDE - Checks
GOODNTIGHT - Bets $3
Pot sized bet should I raise or call?
SKEETER3335 - Folds
NYC_ALL_IN - Folds
BLIEVE - Calls $3
I am not sure a raise does me any good as it will fold out any hands worse than mine and generate calls/raises from 2 pairs or up. Experts do you agree with this move?
MAGELA_ - Folds
NIKONDUDE - Folds
*** RIVER *** [Js 5h 6d 2s] [9d]
GOODNTIGHT - Bets $4
A weak river bet...I can easily rule out JJ 55 and 66 from his hand. A higher 2 pair is possible, a set of 22 or 99 unlikely. He probably is not putting me on a draw and more on a made hand based on my turn call but once again I am hesitant to raise.
BLIEVE - Calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GOODNTIGHT - Shows [Kc 6h] (One pair, sixes)
BLIEVE - Shows [6c 5c] (Two Pair, sixes and fives)
BLIEVE Collects $15.65 from main pot
Id like to know from the more experienced members, when you hit a flop like this, what is your goal in this hand? I believe check calling like I did would only work with fish that are stabbing at the pot. So the way this would be played in 50NL is probably very different in 200 or even 100NL.