pokerman27
Visionary
Silver Level
I know literally what it means.
Was referring to what has potentially changed in my game since moving up in stakes for this to change so dramatically.
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RamdeeBen
Legend
Silver Level
Sorry, I was just having a laugh - I coulden't resist 
Seriously though, I'm guessing it means your calling to much and folding to much post flop. Is this 6max or full ring, that will probarly make a big difference to the actual red line in most cases as 6max as we all know is a lot looser and your ranges should be lower.
Mine used to make a decending mark like that and consistently, yet I was still making a postive green line (profit) so I coulden't understand it. My "won" at showdown and actual profit was more than the red line so was still showing a profit, HOWEVER I did and was told I was playing to many hands by limping and calling in spots I shoulden't of been doing. I was folding to more 3 bets post flop and because it was 5nl it was more "scary" calling the standard 3 bet of someone so would fold. Maybe you're playing like this in the sense of calling/limping to much then folding. You might need to start playing more aggresive and when you do enter a hand, enter it with a lot of aggression, no flat calling their standard 3bets, re-raise them or better still, when raised preflop and you're going to play a hand then re-raise instead of just flatting and if you're pushed and think they are solid and you aren't holding your aces/kings then let it go. Don't just flat call then diaster hits if you hit a card yet do not know if you're beat and putting yourself ina difficult situation. I so much prefere to just either get it done with p-flop or post flop unless I'm holding a monster.
Recently, all my lines are postive lines, I don't know if this will change but I guess I have changed my game to a more aggresive one. I used to be far to passive and all to often folding when I entered a raised pot to start with. I decided to change my game to being the aggresor and so far, it's worked.
Seriously though, I'm guessing it means your calling to much and folding to much post flop. Is this 6max or full ring, that will probarly make a big difference to the actual red line in most cases as 6max as we all know is a lot looser and your ranges should be lower.
Mine used to make a decending mark like that and consistently, yet I was still making a postive green line (profit) so I coulden't understand it. My "won" at showdown and actual profit was more than the red line so was still showing a profit, HOWEVER I did and was told I was playing to many hands by limping and calling in spots I shoulden't of been doing. I was folding to more 3 bets post flop and because it was 5nl it was more "scary" calling the standard 3 bet of someone so would fold. Maybe you're playing like this in the sense of calling/limping to much then folding. You might need to start playing more aggresive and when you do enter a hand, enter it with a lot of aggression, no flat calling their standard 3bets, re-raise them or better still, when raised preflop and you're going to play a hand then re-raise instead of just flatting and if you're pushed and think they are solid and you aren't holding your aces/kings then let it go. Don't just flat call then diaster hits if you hit a card yet do not know if you're beat and putting yourself ina difficult situation. I so much prefere to just either get it done with p-flop or post flop unless I'm holding a monster.
Recently, all my lines are postive lines, I don't know if this will change but I guess I have changed my game to a more aggresive one. I used to be far to passive and all to often folding when I entered a raised pot to start with. I decided to change my game to being the aggresor and so far, it's worked.
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SwiftDesire
Enthusiast
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LOL
WVHillbilly
Legend
Silver Level
Filter out your blind play and see what it looks like.
pokerman27
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Silver Level
Filter hands where I posted the blind uit didn't voluntarily add any further money in?
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WVHillbilly
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No just take out the 2 blind positions. On the 1st filter tab in pt3 set position <=6 I think should be correct (look at the positions tab after setting the filter to make sure all positions other than the blinds are listed then check out the same graph you posted earlier).
pokerman27
Visionary
Silver Level
Ok, understood - will do this this evening and post the result. Thanks
pokerman27
Visionary
Silver Level
OK, the first graph is for $5NL with blinds removed - so both lines are positive:
The second is my graph for $2NL with blinds removed:
And the third is my graph for all time with blinds included showing the exact point that I changed limits and both lines headed in opposite directions.
Does this tell me anything...?
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WVHillbilly
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Since all of your NSD loses are coming from the blinds you're very likely calling too much OOP. It's actually likely that the same leak was there at 2nl but with slightly more passive opponents it wasn't costing you quite as much.
What are your stats like from the blinds (break it down by position)? VPIP/PFR/3bet/WTSD/W$SD
What are your stats like from the blinds (break it down by position)? VPIP/PFR/3bet/WTSD/W$SD
pokerman27
Visionary
Silver Level
My stats from the blinds at $5nl:
Small Blind:
VPIP: 16.45
PFR: 8.97
3bet: 2.15
WTSD: 23.86
W$SD: 55.48
Big Blind:
VPIP: 9.61
PFR: 3.35
3bet: 2.40
WTSD: 22.82
W$SD: 50.06
And at $2NL:
Small Blind
VPIP: 22.58
PFR: 13.43
3bet: 3.14
WTSD: 24.55
W$SD: 47.32
Big Blind:
VPIP: 10.46
PFR: 5.73
3bet: 4.31
WTSD: 23.95
W$SD: 42.48
c9h13no3
Is drawing with AK
Silver Level
How are your stats higher in the small blind?
WVHillbilly
Legend
Silver Level
This and you're absurdly tight from the BB.
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Deceitful_Frank
Rock Star
Silver Level
I play very tightly out of the blinds, even at 6max, to give you an idea, ATs, AJo is about the minimum I will attempt to steal the BB with from the small blind and I make it around 18c against the average 25/13. This is very tight for 6max but I like to avoid difficult spots OOP as my pre-flop play is far better than my post-flop!
I might raise with KQs, AQ or a mid PP from the SB vs 2 limpers of average VPIP.
If you are in the BB you can count the limpers with position on you and add a BB/limper to 18c. I generally ignore the SB as I an ALWAYS happy to play poker post-flop against him and his weak completion.
RARELY just complete the SB as it will probably be a huge leak. Ok so its only 3c but how much more will your spew off post flop with SPGK vs 2 opponents that have position on you?
Try to anticipate and avoid difficult spots even if they are a little +EV. There will always be the idiot that stacks off with K3o vs KK, happened to me yesterday... I think thats like nearly the best matchup you can get!?
I might raise with KQs, AQ or a mid PP from the SB vs 2 limpers of average VPIP.
If you are in the BB you can count the limpers with position on you and add a BB/limper to 18c. I generally ignore the SB as I an ALWAYS happy to play poker post-flop against him and his weak completion.
RARELY just complete the SB as it will probably be a huge leak. Ok so its only 3c but how much more will your spew off post flop with SPGK vs 2 opponents that have position on you?
Try to anticipate and avoid difficult spots even if they are a little +EV. There will always be the idiot that stacks off with K3o vs KK, happened to me yesterday... I think thats like nearly the best matchup you can get!?
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pokerman27
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More than likely this is where I am completing the small blind...something I will recitify. Against a ton of limpers though it's tempting in this spot to play ATC because of the huge pot odds.
OK, I didn't expect to be told I was too tight, again, something to look at - what would you expect to see those stats be from the BB?
Yeah, C9, I have plenty of issues but I have the determination to iron them out with help from CCers like yourself. Will post some hands in the HA section later tonight and link from here.
pokerman27
Visionary
Silver Level
I'm really struggling looking through my database to get any leads here...
Whether stealing or defending against a steal all the charts are positive for both BB and SB. Even completing from the small blind shows only a small loss.
On hands where I have posted the SB and voluntarily put more money in I'm winning to 75.95 BB/100. So this is can't be a problem....
The biggest loser by far is when I get a free look from the BB. This is a massive loser overall. It would seem that when I get a free look from the BB I'm finding myself in marginal spots that are spewing me money. Getting a free look from the BB indicates a fairly weak hand on my part yet I am going to showdown nearly 50% of the time....is this my major leak?
Whether stealing or defending against a steal all the charts are positive for both BB and SB. Even completing from the small blind shows only a small loss.
On hands where I have posted the SB and voluntarily put more money in I'm winning to 75.95 BB/100. So this is can't be a problem....
The biggest loser by far is when I get a free look from the BB. This is a massive loser overall. It would seem that when I get a free look from the BB I'm finding myself in marginal spots that are spewing me money. Getting a free look from the BB indicates a fairly weak hand on my part yet I am going to showdown nearly 50% of the time....is this my major leak?
LuckyChippy
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
First look to see if you're losing more than if you were to just ch/f the flop. Second, your probably getting to showdown so often because someone limps, you check and it goes ch/ch all the way. Look through the hands where you've lost 20bb, 40bb and 100bb pots individually and see if it looks like you're spewing.
pokerman27
Visionary
Silver Level
My winrate is:
BB -27.66
SB - -4.22
However interestingly by Win % is:
BB= 21.87%
SB = 9.72%
pokerman27
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About 85K