have to be nit to win at microstake?

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I almost broken again today, lost $70 at 6max 10nl.
I just wonder besides really good aggressive player, only the nit can win at microstake.
I played 19/15, even if I play tight I lose. Today I tried to be more aggressive turned out loose more.

Should I only play 15/10 or even low and really tight (no bluff after the turn,fold if they bet the turn,etc) Is that the way to win.

Any winner offer some advice.
 
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Maybe try moving down in stakes and post some hands/stats see where you're going wrong. GL
 
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Playing a tight aggressive game is the only real way to go at the micros as alot of players tend to bluff less to none and most only bet when they have a hand.

When I play on stars I tend to look to see who is multi-tabling and find these players easy to push off hands and completely back off if they don't back down.

Another thing as it has been mentioned above is to move down in stakes and build your roll up again.
If you have it in your mind to try to make a quick buck at poker, it's not going to happen, you have to push that thought out of your mind immediately.

Now go look for some hands that have given you problems in the past and post those hand histories here to be analyzed.
 
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Im not a cash game player, but Id say theres a little more than just watching your VPIP/PFR. Post hands in the https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/ section. Use a hand history converter and remove the results / information after a hard spot / decision so that analysis of the hands has nothing do to the results
 
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That is the ironic part. I never want to make a quick buck. But if there is no hope to win even a buck in a year, I am not sure if I can stay with patience

Playing a tight aggressive game is the only real way to go at the micros as alot of players tend to bluff less to none and most only bet when they have a hand.

When I play on stars I tend to look to see who is multi-tabling and find these players easy to push off hands and completely back off if they don't back down.

Another thing as it has been mentioned above is to move down in stakes and build your roll up again.
If you have it in your mind to try to make a quick buck at poker, it's not going to happen, you have to push that thought out of your mind immediately.

Now go look for some hands that have given you problems in the past and post those hand histories here to be analyzed.
 
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Keep posting hands, find out where your leaks are. as suit2please said theres a lot more than your vpip pfr, you can crush 4nl playing 50/40 if you can play well postflop, being tight is definitely the best place to start which i think you already have sorted, you will just have leaks in post flop spots. Filter your db for all your biggest losing hands and see whats going on maybe.
 
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And drop down to 4NL, seriously. There should be a difference in the average skill level. The bottom level on any site is always going to be proportionately more fishy than the next level up because the vast majority of casual players play as low as possible.
 
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And drop down to 4NL, seriously. There should be a difference in the average skill level. The bottom level on any site is always going to be proportionately more fishy than the next level up because the vast majority of casual players play as low as possible.

Hell yeah, beat 4nl then move up, dont just assume you're good enough to beat 10nl straight off (if that's what you've done) Granted both levels are full of retards but until you learn to not be one of the lower retards, dont try and beat the higher retards.
 
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50/40 haha I will never imagin I will be that good. I will lost much fast in that way.
I just want to ask if tight nit players are the mainstream of the winners.

I know my leak. When I lose fast like today I spew a lot. But even I do not spew I still found I lose slowly. That is why I consider to become a nit without brain.

Keep posting hands, find out where your leaks are. as suit2please said theres a lot more than your vpip pfr, you can crush 4nl playing 50/40 if you can play well postflop, being tight is definitely the best place to start which i think you already have sorted, you will just have leaks in post flop spots. Filter your db for all your biggest losing hands and see whats going on maybe.
 
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in micro's, i think you can just safely say that everyone is making lots of mistakes. big ones and small ones.

we are also making lots of mistakes (as learning players) but obv less, more subtle mistakes than them. also we are not making huge mistakes very often, if it all (;))


this in turns means that they lose more vs us than we do vs them and we turn a profit.


You shouldn't think of poker like a static strategy. Sometimes it can be good to bluff a lot, sometimes its better to be value betting.

There are a lot of things that can effect a hand. Its about learning the game and continuing to figure out what these things are and then applying it all, imo


gl
 
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I do not think I make a lot of mistake. But I have some critical mistake. Makes it cost more than other people.
Like I said I have too much ego for this game.
I lost too much money to people who play like 50/20, because I think I can beat them.

Today I lost 17$. Still a little bit spew, but much better. Need some time to transfer to a nit, especially when I meet some 50/20 guys. It is hard not to spew.
 
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Need some time to transfer to a nit, especially when I meet some 50/20 guys. It is hard not to spew.

When you run into 50/20s just tighten your game. It's that simple. I think what Acky was essentially saying is if you notice a lot of nits at your table, then widen your range and take advantage of them. And as he also stated, posting your biggest losing HHs to the forum will farther help your development as a player (Trust me, it helps).

I think the only problem with playing loose in lowest of the micros, is the constant calling stations. Even the tightest of fish at 4nl tend to be completely incapable of mucking their hand.

Anyway, gl
 
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Funny this topic should be mentioned. Played some limit yesterday with a full table. Both the other player and myself started with .60 I should also mention that my VP only went up to what it is after a showdown or two which ended up like my QQ's running into AA's (which wasn't against this player) and such... I particularly tried to play as close to ABC on this table as I could given the players...

Table Leader(MP) $3.41 -
VP:70 PFR:0
AF:0.4
W:43|63
STL:0|
3B:0|0
CB:|29
Hands:61


Me(BTN) $0.10 -
VP:28 PFR:9
AF:1.6
W:18|50
STL:33|
3B:14|0
CB:80|33
Hands:67

I couldn't figure it... Still can't... :D
 
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^^It just seems like you were unfortunate. He apparently doesn't 3bet often.. so that might have been a sign if he did the pushing.
 
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That happens.
But I have to say you play too loose and too many limp. I did not play limit for a long time. But your statistic is not that good.

Funny this topic should be mentioned. Played some limit yesterday with a full table. Both the other player and myself started with .60 I should also mention that my VP only went up to what it is after a showdown or two which ended up like my QQ's running into AA's (which wasn't against this player) and such... I particularly tried to play as close to ABC on this table as I could given the players...

Table Leader(MP) $3.41 -
VP:70 PFR:0
AF:0.4
W:43|63
STL:0|
3B:0|0
CB:|29
Hands:61


Me(BTN) $0.10 -
VP:28 PFR:9
AF:1.6
W:18|50
STL:33|
3B:14|0
CB:80|33
Hands:67

I couldn't figure it... Still can't... :D
 
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^^It just seems like you were unfortunate. He apparently doesn't 3bet often.. so that might have been a sign if he did the pushing.
Yeah, the stats for tha player I ran into with tha pocket rockets was like:

AA player(BB) $0.72 - VP:45 PFR:26 AF:2.0 W:31|40 STL:50| 3B:25|0 CB:50|0 Hands:31
The hand fell like this: 10d 4d 7s Jc 6c

But this is limit tho'... sooo.... (shrugs)

That happens.
But I have to say you play too loose and too many limp. I did not play limit for a long time. But your statistic is not that good.
Which stats are you attributing to me? top or bottom? Also, I mentioned the QQ v AA type scenarios(not to cry over them... I learned since joining CC, poker is poker...) to inform you why my VP/PFR went up to 28|9 the original stats before the hands were lower than this. Either way, I was comparing tighter aggressive play to much "loser" passive play (joke from another thread... lol...) and how it worked out for me on this particular table...
 
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Yeah, the stats for tha player I ran into with tha pocket rockets was like:
AA player(BB) $0.72 - VP:45 PFR:26 AF:2.0 W:31|40 STL:50| 3B:25|0 CB:50|0 Hands:31

But this is limit tho'... sooo.... (shrugs)

Oh, I assumed it was the one you had already listed.
Stop confusing me Ezekiel! :) (Honestly I should just pay better attention to what you write)
 
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I mean 28/9, I have to say if you want to win when playing so loose you have to be very good.

Which stats are you attributing to me? top or bottom? Also, I mentioned the QQ v AA type scenarios(not to cry over them... I learned since joining CC, poker is poker...) to inform you why my VP/PFR went up to 28|9 the original stats before the hands were lower than this. Either way, I was comparing tighter aggressive play to much "loser" passive play (joke from another thread... lol...) and how it worked out for me on this particular table...
 
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Oh, I assumed it was the one you had already listed.
Stop confusing me Ezekiel! :) (Honestly I should just pay better attention to what you write)
Sorry 'mania...
But I was actually agreeing with you and just further showing you the AA/QQ situation. I'll try to be less confusing in tha future... :D
As for puke, I would request that he explain his last comments further...:confused: Because I'd like to see where his logic is coming from...
 
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I mean 28/9, I have to say if you want to win when playing so loose you have to be very good.

Against someone with these stats?

Table Leader(MP) $3.41 -
VP:70 PFR:0
AF:0.4
W:43|63
STL:0|
3B:0|0
CB:|29
Hands:61

...now I'm really confused... forget the QQ/AA scenario completely(as it involved another player). Focus on this player having $3.41 vs .10 cents playing the way they are, being tha leader at the table... You telling me that my stats compared to this player are not appropriate? please educate me...
 
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Actually it could being the differences between limit/nl play puke... Where in limit as we know you can't really force stronger hands to fold maybe? My VP was actually lower earlier but those calling stations really messed with my stats prob. Earlier on, by hand #25, I was 20/8... If it's because of the limit differences then I apologize for mixing those up and possibly leading away from the subject of "have to be nit to win at microstake?" because the VP/IP i was displaying might not be low enough...
 
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I think the only problem with playing loose in lowest of the micros, is the constant calling stations. Even the tightest of fish at 4nl tend to be completely incapable of mucking their hand.
They're only a problem if you make them one by continuing to bet into them in situations where you know they'll call. They're actually a significant source of profit once you learn to value town them.

As for becoming profitable at the micros, the first thing you should do is switch to FR where it's easier to play tight plus more opponents who can make poor plays that put money in your pocket.

Next is to decide which is really more important, building your roll or trying to outplay people as often as possible in order to stroke your ego. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to have ego at the micros. Even if you're crushing them, all you have to do is move up a few levels, and suddenly you're ordinary or even fishy.

Then play ABC and watch your roll grow. One pitfall here is actually playing ABC, not kind of doing so but telling yourself you are.
 
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I am a little reluctant to switch to FR. I know if I play tight I can be profit. But it is lack of change. I am kind like to apply more strategys. And I play 6max for so long。
I am really not reconciled.
They're only a problem if you make them one by continuing to bet into them in situations where you know they'll call. They're actually a significant source of profit once you learn to value town them.

As for becoming profitable at the micros, the first thing you should do is switch to FR where it's easier to play tight plus more opponents who can make poor plays that put money in your pocket.

Next is to decide which is really more important, building your roll or trying to outplay people as often as possible in order to stroke your ego. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to have ego at the micros. Even if you're crushing them, all you have to do is move up a few levels, and suddenly you're ordinary or even fishy.

Then play ABC and watch your roll grow. One pitfall here is actually playing ABC, not kind of doing so but telling yourself you are.
 
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